Stop Bashing Gulfstream

[MW44]

China,

I'm just curious aren't you ex-Mesa? I'm not trying to start a fight but how are these gulfstream guys any different than the numerous Mesa guys who shelled out 40k or so to JO in order to sit in the right seat of an erj or 1900 with 300 hours total time? Gulfstream undercuts the industry pay so does Mesa. Mesa's pilot development program isn't much different than Gulfstream's PFT is it?

I like your quote that "You remind me of Freedumb Air guys whistling past the graveyard thinking they will face no repercussions for jumping over hundreds of other pilots, for a short term gain." Alot of people in this industry would argue that's exactly what Mesa pilots have done by lowballing their contract in order to gain explosive growth and quick upgrades. I know the story that Jo was going to shut you guys down and everything, but Comair was told they would be shut down, Mesaba was told they would be replaced, etc, etc.


Don't quite a few Mesa pilots quickly move on to places like Frontier, AWA, AirTran, etc? A few years of terrible working conditions and pay at Mesa in exchange for a quick transition to the big time. That's exactly why people go to Gulfstream. I could be way off base here so let me know.

 

[plunger]

wow, that whole pinnacle thing seems really unfortunate. thatwas on of the places i wanted to work when i got my time up. i figured i'd probably get DTW which is only a couple of hours from home. sounds like you guys have enough on your plate to deal with without having to babysit an FO. funny thing, these guys are qualified (technically) to fly 121 carrying passengers but can't flight instruct or fly 135 (most operations).

 

[sewerpiper]

Just more confirmation of why I hate texas so bad. They should move the borders up from mexico to include texas, then DEPORT the texicans back home.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Major Flamebait

I agree, noone would be enough of a tool to post this for REAL, even hiding behind a screen name.

Another internet troll, I suspect.

But just in case it's NOT... Well, since when is 500hrs equate to "All the hard work finally paid off "? 500hrs is a walk in the park, and a whole 6 months for a busy CFI. Six months! Hard work, indeed... This individual doesn't value the work ethic much, now does he?

 

[Sean]

PC_FROM_TEXAS

Did I hear you say, "Waste time as a CFI"...dude get a life.

Just ask any cfi how much they value their time as a teacher, a friend, a life saver...Did you go to college??? Would you say college was a waste of your time...

My father once said, don't open your mouth unless you can back up what your saying...

Dude learn from you sh*t post...think before you speak or write.

 

[AZaviator]

good to have you back, PC_FROM_TEXAS/TopgunMav/Guat/jimborealgoodpilot...

I agree, no one would be enough of a tool to post this for REAL, even hiding behind a screen name.

Eh, you guys do realize this is just flamebait, right? Its just a post by someone that you won't hear from again on this thread......someone hoping to get a rise out of people. The best way to respond to this would be NOT RESPONDING!!

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>The best way to respond to this would be NOT RESPONDING!! <<<

You mean just like YOU didn't respond?

 

[AZaviator]

You mean just like YOU didn't respond?

30 posts later, its a lost cause and really doesn't matter now.

 

[captainv]

>Eh, you guys do realize this is just flamebait, right?

that would be yes. i was assuming people would be familiar with other classic flamebaiters such as TopgunMav, Guat, jimborealgoodpilot and others.

sorry if i was too subtle there...

but he's got to respond with more idiotic posts if he wants to be mentioned with the true greats...


oh nuts, i responded again!

 

[Cosmo1999]

Mad Props to all my homies from Gulfstream. All the hard work finally paid off and we made it to the top.

What hard work? The hardest work you had to do was find a way to get yourself $50,000 in debt.. Oh ya I forgot you probably had to take a few shots in the eye to get your money I guess that could kind of be considered hard work, well you did get a good workout on your jaw muscles. I just feel sorry for the captain that flies for you, on your first preflight you will probably be humping the landing gear and you will have a massive hard-on just being in the presence of a jet. I would hate to be up there crusing at Mach .74 and always having to see a lump in the trousers. You may want to get extra thread for your trips. Your gonna pop so many boners cause your in a jet that your trousers are gonna rip.

 

[AZaviator]

What hard work? The hardest work you had to do was find a way to get yourself $50,000 in debt.. Oh ya I forgot you probably had to take a few shots in the eye to get your money I guess that could kind of be considered hard work, well you did get a good workout on your jaw muscles. I just feel sorry for the captain that flies for you, on your first preflight you will probably be humping the landing gear and you will have a massive hard-on just being in the presence of a jet. I would hate to be up there crusing at Mach .74 and always having to see a lump in the trousers. You may want to get extra thread for your trips. Your gonna pop so many boners cause your in a jet that your trousers are gonna rip.

Dude, its flamebait....let it rest. The original poster of this thread just did it to get a rise out of people and probably hasn't even been to Gulfstream or its PFT program.

 

[#1 FLAMED OUT]

Someone with 600 hours total time in the cockpit with me would scare me. You will never survive your V1Cut.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Why let it rest? This is the most interesting thread going today.

 

[rudypilot]

i looked at the gulfstream website and it looks like a good program. i don't think its pft since you are only guaranteed a set number of hours. i didn't know south west was pft, why does everyone want to go there?

 

[norskman2]

Stop the Madness

The best way to respond to this would be NOT RESPONDING!!

Stop responding about not responding!

This is the end of my response.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Hmmmm...

Well I just looked at the GIA FO Program, too, and here's what it tells ya, among other things:

>>>Increase Your Airline Operaion Knowledge With Line Obervation and Jump Seat Flights<<<

And no, I didn't edit that or change the spelling.

In any event, you will note that the price of buying your 1900 time is about to increase in price, and increase dramatically, on July 1st. The $24k is about to become THIRTY GRAND.

Of course that cost will be offset by the $8/hr they are going to pay you for your 250hrs as an FO... Or the same hourly rate that I was paid as a CFI seven years ago, before the company realized that they had to give everyone a raise or we'd all quit. At least we got full medical and dental for our $8/hr.

So anyhow, you will pay $28k for your 250hrs of multi-turbine 121, and then... And then? Who knows. I know a kid who was a student at my old flight school who was utterly unable to find work after he finished with GIA, calling me to try to get a job at my company. I had to tell him "Sorry, 850hrs of flight time just won't meet our mins."

I guess that $112/hr ($28000/250hrs) might be worth it if otherwise you were just going to spend that money anyway buying multi time in a Seneca or something, but most people wouldn't buy that much multi time.

To some it's a good deal, but I think that there are better ways to get your time than GIA.

Comparing GIA to Southwest is not totally off the mark, as you have to pay for something that will get you the job, but at least SW is a career destination airline, which GIA is certainly NOT, and you will pay far, far less for a 737 type than the $$$ you have to cough up to get on with GIA.

I hear that Colgan is no longer PFT, though I think that even when they were it was a better bet than GIA. Pay less, and when your 250hrs is up, you still have a job.

Just my $0.02

 

[LearLove]

The sad thing is (and correct me if I'm wrong) that some of these guys paid at GS then went to Colgan and paid again. Unless your like a Kennedy or some other rich person with millions to burn then you've got to be kidding me. O well to each his own.

 

[BLWME]

edited for stupidity...

 

[Smacktard]

Aviator TX writes...



At least Gulfstream is UNION, unlike Scabwest and Pollutair.

That's classic. I'm sure a union would help us out with big issues like keeping the logo light off when we taxi around so that we can show management we mean business! Or better yet, we'll taxi slow to waste more fuel, that'll bring them to their knees!

 

[BLWME]

ooooooooo you said LOGO LIGHT OFF......OOOOOOOOO



its the power of the light that will show managment that unions are not to be messed with.

Or maybe letting passengers know that summer travel would be ill advised on certain carriers that are under contract negotiations, due to a possible travel interruption/strike/walkout/sickout/so friggin late that the next flight would be full and they would be stuck at the most lushus Hubs in all the free world(or not)


But my union dues are going to a great cause, and a 10 month plan............anything on the 11th month?