Stop Bashing Gulfstream

[PC_FROM_TEXAS]

Gulfstream=Success

I got hired at Pinnacle with just over 500 hours and I did not have to waste my time and money being a "pissed off" CFI. If it was not for Gulfstream and its excellent training program I would not have the privelege of working for a great company such as Pinnacle. My question to you crybaby CFIs and my fellow coworkers with no 121 experience, why do you feel the need to put down Gulfstream and don't use pay for training as an excuse. Look at Southwest where you have to have a 737 type rating paid out of your own back pocket just to apply. So while you "pay your dues" flying a 152 at 80 knots, I will be flying my CRJ at MACH 0.82. HAHAHA

Mad Props to all my homies from Gulfstream. All the hard work finally paid off and we made it to the top.

SeeYa

PC_FROM_TEXAS

 

[lurker]

Mad Props to all my homies from Gulfstream.

Word!

 

[c-wood75]

Look at Southwest where you have to have a 737 type rating paid out of your own back pocket just to apply.




You also need 1000 turbine PIC-are you going to have Daddy buy you that too?

And maybe SWA will stop pay during training/hotel for 2 months. Just like your "great" airline Pinnacle.

You are sad.

 

[AviatorTx]

OK...

At least Gulfstream is UNION, unlike Scabwest and Pollutair.

 

[rudypilot]

i just finished my commercial, will gulfstream hire me? I want to fly a rj for pinnacle

 

[wheelsup]

you still bought a job. who cares if it took you a shorter time to make it to a regional. It takes hot women who put out less time to make it to the top of their respective companies.

To me, it says something about your personality if you are willing to buy a job sitting in an airplane. I say work hard, then get lucky. Sure, I may starve as a CFI for a year, but I'm really gonna appreciate that first regional job, no matter who it's with!

But to each his own!

~wheelsup

P.S. I may be a CFI but I love where I work...I'm not pissed off at all!

 

[flyn96]

You prolly still cant fly an airplane to save your life. Its a good thing the CRJ has a good AP and FMS cause you'd prolly shat all over place if you actually had to fly. Anybody can push buttons with 500 hrs.

And by the way you are tool!

Hopefully you won't add to Pinnacle's 75 pending pilot violations.

 

[captainv]

>Pinnacle First Officer and earned it

sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, not us.


good to have you back, PC_FROM_TEXAS/TopgunMav/Guat/jimborealgoodpilot...

 

[TwinTails]

Oh no.. I have a sick feeling in the bottom of my stomach. I think I gotta run to the bathroom and throw up..

"to all my homies"... and.. " Hard work finally paid off"?.. "made it to the top" huh?

I thought you didn't have to work hard to get to get where you are, at "the top". I thought you took the fast easy way without wasting your time or money? I guess paying back all that money you didn't waste won't be a problem on the obscene amount of money you make sitting in the right seat of an RJ for the next 7 years. I'm glad I know now that the top is an FO for Pinnacle. I guess "the top" isn't as far off as I thought.. hmmm. I might have even passed it and I didn't know it.. dang..

 

[rway36]

Keep in mind.................You are far from the top!!!!!!!!!!
Unless you buy your way a little farther.......


Your Disgusting

 

[NEWSOUTH]

FLAIM BAIT

THIS THREAD IS TOTAL FLAIM BAIT. ANOTHER 4 YEAR FO AT MESABA SITTING RESERVE ON THE SAAB WITH NO HARD COPY OF HER NEW "INDUSTRY LEADING CONTRACT" TO READ. SOOOO SHE FINDS ANOTHER WAY TO BASH PINNACLE
AIRLINES.....THE NORM.

 

[FlightTraker]

The problem is...you will have the PFT label the rest of your career. Alot of people (and you will find out) despise PFTers. Just do a search on this board and find out. Sounds like more single pilot 121 time for Pinnacle Captains.




FlightTraker

 

[FL000]

If you skipped college to go to Gulfstream, here's a link that will help you round out your resume and "complete" your education.

 

[FlightTraker]

Never mind about doing the search on PFT, I think you just started another fire

 

[deez_nutz2000]

So while you "pay your dues" flying a 152 at 80 knots, I will be flying my CRJ at MACH 0.82. HAHAHA

Mad Props to all my homies from Gulfstream. All the hard work finally paid off and we made it to the top.

SeeYa

PC_FROM_TEXAS

Arent you guys speed restricted anyways? I thought you weren't allowed to go any faster than NWA DC-9's, which are like .74 or near there.

Anyhow, mad props for being a tool. You're right...you are at the top of where people like you with $hit for experience and poor skill will be in 20 years. A Fagship F/O.

 

[plunger]

i think pinnacle deserves just as much bashing as gulfscream if not more. places like gulfstcream wouldn't be in business if it weren't for airlines hiring these people. how come the pilots don't say something? i know if i were a captain on a rj, i wouldn't want to be flying around with a 500 hr guy that bought the job.

 

[ArcticFlier]

OK...

At least Gulfstream is UNION, unlike Scabwest and Pollutair.

Who are you calling scabs?

AF

 

[Lear70]

Sounds like more single pilot 121 time for Pinnacle Captains

I'm extremely anti-PFT, but unfortunately the people who haven't PFT here at PCL are in the minority, so everyone just shuts up about it most of the time, tries to get along, and keeps their PFT sentiments to themselves unless asked which is, of course, fairly rare.

That said, most of the Gulfstream guys and gals do quite well, although it does require the PIC to be a little more involved with what the F/O is doing than most of us are used to and/or prefer, simply because the learning curve / situational awareness curve takes longer to peak (S.A. is the biggest issue). It's just life, and will hopefully make the PCL Captains that much better at their jobs.

Those guys and gals will also be in the right seat for several years and, given the RJ delivery schedule with mainline options and deliveries, might find themselves stuck in the right seat for 3-5 years MORE than they thought when the growth comes to a screeching halt - they might not sound so excited in a few years...

The hard part comes when you have abnormal situations - until they've been here half a year or so you almost HAVE to transfer the controls to the F/O and take care of business yourself... Just no way to explain all the things that have to be done with mx control, dispatch, planning, acars, as well as the QRH stuff they get in ground school, then explain it all later on the ground, but I suspect it's like that at just about every regional...

p.s. I agree that Southwest borders on PFT with the 737 requirement - I probably wouldn't have done it if I hadn't gotten laid off and had WIA pay for everything except the hotel and food... Had nothing else to do while I was jobless. But I also know that I'm in the minority on this issue as well. Does that mean I can claim "minority status"?

I'M KIDDING ABOUT THE MINORITY STUFF - DON'T HIJACK THE THREAD INTO A MINORITY HIRING DEAL!

Plunger: If you knew anything about Pinnacle you'd know that the pilot's have absolutely NO say in our company's operations. We are treated as third class citizens, are subject to one of the most hostile work environments I've ever seen IN OR OUT of the aviation world, and the company violates the contract daily and says "If you don't like it, grieve it".

They set the policies, we have to live with them unless they're in violation of the contract, then we STILL have to live with it for the year to year and a half that a grievance takes to get resolved, often in favor of the company ANYWAY.

That's why we call it "Cynical" Airlines - our motto: "We're not happy 'till you're not happy, and the beatings will continue, regardless of whether morale improves or not". So we do our best to have a good time at work, get the job done, then get the h*ll home as quickly as possible and don't DARE answer our phone on our off days if we don't recognize the number or it has a 901 area code.

 

[ChinaClipper]

PC from TX...

you are a bloomin' idjit. Gulfstream is a EA scab run operation and is considered the very worst in Buy A Job programs. Everyone knows it and I wouldn't hire a GulfScab "graduate" to save my own life. Trying to rub your "success" in ANYONES face is a sure sign of your imaturity to complement your lack of quality in career choices. You remind me of Freedumb Air guys whistling past the graveyard thinking they will face no repercussions for jumping over hundreds of other pilots, for a short term gain. The aviation career field is a marathon, not a sprint. I would give a job to a guy who "paid his dues" long before I would give it to a self-centered a$$hole like you. I hope Mommy and Daddy will be around to finance the rest of you life; Grow up. sonny........

 

[another cfii]

That's why we call it "Cynical" Airlines - our motto: "We're not happy 'till you're not happy, and the beatings will continue, regardless of whether morale improves or not".

Almost everybody that posted to this thread knows it's a flame thrower, and yet... Moth to the flame, can't help it

Good post. Why can't we just change our logan from "Simply the best" to what you just wrote?

 

[MW44]

China,

I'm just curious aren't you ex-Mesa? I'm not trying to start a fight but how are these gulfstream guys any different than the numerous Mesa guys who shelled out 40k or so to JO in order to sit in the right seat of an erj or 1900 with 300 hours total time? Gulfstream undercuts the industry pay so does Mesa. Mesa's pilot development program isn't much different than Gulfstream's PFT is it?

I like your quote that "You remind me of Freedumb Air guys whistling past the graveyard thinking they will face no repercussions for jumping over hundreds of other pilots, for a short term gain." Alot of people in this industry would argue that's exactly what Mesa pilots have done by lowballing their contract in order to gain explosive growth and quick upgrades. I know the story that Jo was going to shut you guys down and everything, but Comair was told they would be shut down, Mesaba was told they would be replaced, etc, etc.


Don't quite a few Mesa pilots quickly move on to places like Frontier, AWA, AirTran, etc? A few years of terrible working conditions and pay at Mesa in exchange for a quick transition to the big time. That's exactly why people go to Gulfstream. I could be way off base here so let me know.

 

[plunger]

wow, that whole pinnacle thing seems really unfortunate. thatwas on of the places i wanted to work when i got my time up. i figured i'd probably get DTW which is only a couple of hours from home. sounds like you guys have enough on your plate to deal with without having to babysit an FO. funny thing, these guys are qualified (technically) to fly 121 carrying passengers but can't flight instruct or fly 135 (most operations).

 

[sewerpiper]

Just more confirmation of why I hate texas so bad. They should move the borders up from mexico to include texas, then DEPORT the texicans back home.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Major Flamebait

I agree, noone would be enough of a tool to post this for REAL, even hiding behind a screen name.

Another internet troll, I suspect.

But just in case it's NOT... Well, since when is 500hrs equate to "All the hard work finally paid off "? 500hrs is a walk in the park, and a whole 6 months for a busy CFI. Six months! Hard work, indeed... This individual doesn't value the work ethic much, now does he?

 

[Sean]

PC_FROM_TEXAS

Did I hear you say, "Waste time as a CFI"...dude get a life.

Just ask any cfi how much they value their time as a teacher, a friend, a life saver...Did you go to college??? Would you say college was a waste of your time...

My father once said, don't open your mouth unless you can back up what your saying...

Dude learn from you sh*t post...think before you speak or write.

 

[AZaviator]

good to have you back, PC_FROM_TEXAS/TopgunMav/Guat/jimborealgoodpilot...

I agree, no one would be enough of a tool to post this for REAL, even hiding behind a screen name.

Eh, you guys do realize this is just flamebait, right? Its just a post by someone that you won't hear from again on this thread......someone hoping to get a rise out of people. The best way to respond to this would be NOT RESPONDING!!

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>The best way to respond to this would be NOT RESPONDING!! <<<

You mean just like YOU didn't respond?

 

[AZaviator]

You mean just like YOU didn't respond?

30 posts later, its a lost cause and really doesn't matter now.

 

[captainv]

>Eh, you guys do realize this is just flamebait, right?

that would be yes. i was assuming people would be familiar with other classic flamebaiters such as TopgunMav, Guat, jimborealgoodpilot and others.

sorry if i was too subtle there...

but he's got to respond with more idiotic posts if he wants to be mentioned with the true greats...


oh nuts, i responded again!

 

[Cosmo1999]

Mad Props to all my homies from Gulfstream. All the hard work finally paid off and we made it to the top.

What hard work? The hardest work you had to do was find a way to get yourself $50,000 in debt.. Oh ya I forgot you probably had to take a few shots in the eye to get your money I guess that could kind of be considered hard work, well you did get a good workout on your jaw muscles. I just feel sorry for the captain that flies for you, on your first preflight you will probably be humping the landing gear and you will have a massive hard-on just being in the presence of a jet. I would hate to be up there crusing at Mach .74 and always having to see a lump in the trousers. You may want to get extra thread for your trips. Your gonna pop so many boners cause your in a jet that your trousers are gonna rip.