Stealth Age 67 to 70

[jonjuan]

So what happens in 2017? Same exact scenario. Push it up to 75? 80? How would this actually solve a shortage problem?

Like our national debt problem, kick the can down the road 10 years. Do you really think management today cares about the stae of the industry in 10 years? HE LL, in 5 years, they'll have college paid for their next 10 generations.

 

[wmuflyguy]

No they like most executives need to appease their share holders most of which only care about the upcoming quarterly numbers.

 

[Flopgut]

My rep in the House is a pilot and had supported 65. Claims he won't support any further increase, and I tend to believe him. He wants to see the jobs kick in. His words paraphrased "increase to age 65 made the profession less vibrant". Additionally, he indicated the language of the Experienced Pilot Act that allowed over 60 guys to come back was snow job by Prater that made them think the rule was a fair deal to pilots who might want/need to come back. When basically no one came back without their seniority, Congress understood then it was only a seniority grab. The next increase will only offer age 65+ a surplus to the bottom of the FO list IMO...

 

[whymeworry?]

Prater asked many of his constituents why they wouldn't re-elect him. 65 was the common answer, even though he still didn't see why that was such an issue for the rank-and-file. Moak is less out of touch. He wants to get re-elected, badly. Moak knows any change to the retirement age will kill any chance of re-election he may have.

Without ALPA on board, any age change is out of the question.

Besides, anyone that's flown with a 62-64 yr old lately knows most of them are at the end of their limits when it comes to safely operating in this job. They will even tell you this themselves.

IMO, not going to happen any time soon.

 

[Whataburger]

Hopefully Stealth Age 67 is like a Silent Fart. Stinks for a bit and then slowly goes away.

 

[B6Busdriver]

And these clowns dare to call us the "me" generation. You can see why we are in trouble.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

WW2 = "The Greatest Generation"
Boomers = "The GREEDIEST Generation"

 

[fob727]

generation x= " The Give Me Generation"

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Generation X in aviation = "The why-don't-you-members-of-the-GREEDIEST generation-just-retire-with-a-little-dignity-instead-of-pathetically-attempting-to-legally-work-till-you-die-and-allow-us-to-provide-a-living-for-our-familys.. Generation"

Seriously- You've had your run, f*cking let it go! Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically). No pilot shortage coming. Plenty of "experienced" pilots to fill left seats (many have been 'babysitting' from the right seat for 5 additional yrs actually).

I respect my elders generally, but you're collectively making it damned hard to respect my elder pilots anymore.

 

[fr8doggie]

Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically).

I would like to see some documentation of this. Can anyone point to a scientific study that showed this to be true? I believe that it is just urban legend.

Regards,
Fr8-

 

[Whine Lover]

STUDY SAYS AIRLINE PILOTS DIE AT YOUNGER AGE THAN GENERAL POPULATION ARLINGTON, Va., June 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Airline pilot death rates are much higher around retirement age than those of the general population, according to a new study published in the June issue of the Flight Safety Foundation's Flight Safety Digest. The study, conducted by two Cyprus-based insurance experts, suggests that airline pilot death rates surge near and shortly after retirement age. Ibrahim E. Muhanna, the principal author of the study and chief executive officer of the OmniLife Overseas Insurance Co., said two data sources used for the study confirmed the trends. Data used for the study came from airline pilots associations in the United Kingdom, Argentina, Colombia, Switzerland, Greece, Ireland, Spain and the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). The non-U.S. data sources covered pilot deaths between the ages of 50 and 74; their average age of retirement was 56. The ALPA data covered deaths of those pilots between the ages of 60 and 80; 60 is the mandatory retirement age for U.S. pilots. Each group of data, when compared with general population trends, showed significant younger death rates for airline pilots. A comparison using the non-U.S. data showed that pilot death rates surged in the 55-59 age category and that the average age of death for the pilots studied was about 61. The average age of death for the general male population dying in the 50-74 age group is about 63. The ALPA data also indicate death rates at younger ages, with an average age at death of 67, compared to 70 for the general population. The study reports that 69 percent of pilot deaths in the ALPA data occurred in the first nine years after retirement. By comparison, the death distribution for the general population is more even, with only 45 percent of deaths in the 60-80 range occurring in the first nine years. Muhanna launched the preliminary study after pension fund data indicated that pilot life expectancy was lower than the general population. He asked for industry assistance during the Flight Safety Foundation's 43rd International Air Safety Seminar in Rome in 1990. Seminar participants later provided him with the data used in the study. Flight Safety Foundation is an international membership organization dedicated to improving flight safety. Non-profit and independent, the foundation was launched in 1945 in response to the aviation industry's need for a neutral clearinghouse to disseminate objective safety information, and for a credible and knowledgeable body that would identify threats to safety, analyze the problems and recommend practical solutions to them. Since its beginning, the foundation has acted in the public interest to produce positive influence on aviation safety. Today, the foundation provides leadership to 552 member organizations in 72 countries. -0- 6/15/92 /CONTACT: Roger Rozelle, director of publications, Flight Safety Foundation, 703-522-8300/ CO: Flight Safety Foundation ST: IN: AIR SU:

 

[urflyingme?!]

Being jet lagged for years on end is very healthy.

 

[Whine Lover]

Circadian rythm disruption, High Altitude radiation, recirculated -dry-air, subject to never ending frequencies/vibration/noise, constantly changing water/bacteria supply, thousands of people and their diseases/infections locked up in a tube w/you every month, hotels and bedsheets and suspect cleaning, occasional, but REAL, Life and Death decisions, polyester uniforms, airplane coffee, skank F/A's that touch Pee-Pee ( If you're Lucky), Ex-Wive's, blowed-up engines, a "good" Hong Kong layover, municipal Police Departments, airport fast food, crew meals, vending machines, beer and tacos at 7 am, 48 hour Vegas layovers......The List goes ON and ON.

It's a wonder any of us make it past 35....Let alone 65.


WORD.

YKW


P.S.- Ain't it GREAT?

 

[jonjuan]

Instead of a fire hose retirement shower, a retiring 64 yo pilot should be greeted with a huge sign: "Welcome to Gummerville. Population: You!".

 

[fob727]

Generation X in aviation = "The why-don't-you-members-of-the-GREEDIEST generation-just-retire-with-a-little-dignity-instead-of-pathetically-attempting-to-legally-work-till-you-die-and-allow-us-to-provide-a-living-for-our-familys.. Generation"

Seriously- You've had your run, f*cking let it go! Spend time with your familys with the few years you have left (in case you aren't aware..pilots die earlier than others statistically). No pilot shortage coming. Plenty of "experienced" pilots to fill left seats (many have been 'babysitting' from the right seat for 5 additional yrs actually).

I respect my elders generally, but you're collectively making it damned hard to respect my elder pilots anymore.

Because it's thier "f*cking" job to keep. Grow up, Alice!
Whiney, your report was from 1992, I think there has been a few advancements since then.