Status of Flight Options Including Fleet Plans

[AceCrackshot]

That's quite a missive you've assembled there, Ace. But I'm a little unclear about something. Are we playing basketball or are we golfing?

One does swing a tennis racquet.

Looking back we should have ********************ing gone ballistic when the B200 Check Airman D.S. got cross-ways with the company and quit.

 

[gunfyter]

Who has More capital invested in the aviation business than Pilots?

Nobody.

The cost of monies spent on University and professional education ... and the BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS it takes to achieve the Skill, Aeronautical knowledge and Judgement it takes to be entrusted with equipment worth tens of millions where Lives and Assets and large sums of liability are at risk if there is a mishap caused by error or mechanical failure....

We are Capitalists.... NOT Socialists.... To he who has invested Much and Risked much go the Rewards....

The Fractionals are Equal Opportunity Employers ... ANYONE is allowed to apply.

What? Don't have a College Degree and an ATP with several thousand hours of Experience? Well then ... get off your butt and get cracking man.

Nobody asks Doctors and lawyers for concessions ... (except insurance companies). They have Capital invested in their professions and so do Pilots. We need a return on this investment.... that EXCEEDS that of people who take other routes which don't involve similar investments of Capital (Monies, Blood Sweat and Tears) in their professions.

All work is honorable work. But I would not expect to make a Doctors salary by studying to be something that takes less investment.

 

[waka]

Again, another "no value added" post. Are you really a pilot? Do you have any knowledge of either the fractional or larger airline industry? Seriously.

No, he isn't. He lost his medical because he eats too many doughnuts and he is suicidal.....as I would be if I had his miserable existence.

I'd fisk your post, but it would be like shooting cows...theres no sport in it.

:laugh:

Perfect!

 

[Fozzy]

Well said Gun.

 

[cjdriver]

That's quite a missive you've assembled there, Ace. But I'm a little unclear about something. Are we playing basketball or are we golfing?

Gotta loved a mixed metaphor, haven't heard any good ones since W left the building.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Probably true, but the simply fact is that last 7 years of aviation history suggests that keeping dying companies around well past their sell-by day, hasn't helped the profession much. This is doubly true when concessions by the pilot group (usually the lions' share of the concessions) don't contain snap-back conditions or the like.

What good is done by saving a few guys careers sitting at the top of heap, if we do by cutting the jobs of everyone at the bottom, and reducing the negotiating position of those who remain?

I don't think that anyone can deny there has been an overall downward racheting effect on pilot pay and wages since 2000 (with the exception of NJ.)

So, if we want the profession to prosper on a twenty or thirty year timeframe, there's going to be pain, and some are going to feel more pain than others. In the case of 1108 and early days of unionization at FLOPS, there was acceptance in principle of a union seniority list. Now, there were a thousand miles between that and some kind of working fractional pilot seniority list that was usable, but we accomplished more on that score with a 30 minute phone call than ALPA did from 1978 onward.

In the specific case of FLOPS, the ball is, and has been, in the FLOPS pilots' court. Too many simply lack the courage to swing. Pain was someone else, as long as the had their left seat in a Hawker or X or large cabin. Now, that's being threatened. I think that Winston Churchill stated it best when he said:

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Thanks for posting the tuff post, it is a tough job but someone has to do it.
Some people are uncomfortable with truths, especially when it will effect their futures.

In case anyone is not famiular with B19, he is just some FNG lawyer paid by Flight Options to come on this board and others to counter the thoughts of people that can think for themselves. His mother must be proud when he comes home and she asks "what did you do today my lawyer son?"

The reason a union came to Flight Options is because it needed one badly. Flight Options had their chance to turn things around but they have cut their nose off to spite their face and try to blame their piz poor management on the Union that they brought in. The company has not changed and the results are becoming more and more evident. The company can not be trusted and requires the Union for any hopes of future survival. The company strongly resisted the idea of a Union and still does.

 

[apache]

Out of sick curiosity, what is the DOH of the last pilot still on the property after this latest furlough?

 

[AceCrackshot]

Who has More capital invested in the aviation business than Pilots?

Nobody.

The cost of monies spent on University and professional education ... and the BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS it takes to achieve the Skill, Aeronautical knowledge and Judgement it takes to be entrusted with equipment worth tens of millions where Lives and Assets and large sums of liability are at risk if there is a mishap caused by error or mechanical failure....

We are Capitalists.... NOT Socialists.... To he who has invested Much and Risked much go the Rewards....

The Fractionals are Equal Opportunity Employers ... ANYONE is allowed to apply.

What? Don't have a College Degree and an ATP with several thousand hours of Experience? Well then ... get off your butt and get cracking man.

Nobody asks Doctors and lawyers for concessions ... (except insurance companies). They have Capital invested in their professions and so do Pilots. We need a return on this investment.... that EXCEEDS that of people who take other routes which don't involve similar investments of Capital (Monies, Blood Sweat and Tears) in their professions.

All work is honorable work. But I would not expect to make a Doctors salary by studying to be something that takes less investment.

100% Accurate. The simply fact is that a company has three groups of people at it...stakeholders, management and vendors. Aviation Employees need to learn that you need to be in one of the groups that matter. Management has used our inherent loyality against us for far too long.

 

[993_Pilot]

Out of sick curiosity, what is the DOH of the last pilot still on the property after this latest furlough?

Not sure of the exact DOH, but our junior pilots are getting close to 8 yrs. with the company.

 

[sky4]

Not sure of the exact DOH, but our junior pilots are getting close to 8 yrs. with the company.

Try 9 years on the junior FLOPS guys.