Status of Flight Options Including Fleet Plans

[cjdriver]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Of the E170 model that use to sit next to the Red Couch in the Flight Options lobby.

The E170 or Lineage wasn't yet a gleam in Embraer's eye when that model was sitting in the lobby. What you saw sitting by the couch was a model of a Fairchild-Dornier Envoy 7 (nee 728Jet). Prototypes were built, but none flew before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt.

 

[Freedom]

You're Correct...

The E170 or Lineage wasn't yet a gleam in Embraer's eye when that model was sitting in the lobby. What you saw sitting by the couch was a model of a Fairchild-Dornier Envoy 7 (nee 728Jet). Prototypes were built, but none flew before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt.

My mistake. Different Model, same principle.

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

What alot of Flight Options Pilots don't seem to understand, is the amount of leverage you now have to secure a contract.

No way will financing be secured for those airplanes unless a viable business plan can be proven that will not end up with Options in bankrupcy. That cannot happen without a Pilot Contract settled.

You guys have more power than you think.

Good Luck!


Freedom is Not Free

 

[ProFracPilot]

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

I agree. The Phenom 300 is a key component to FlOps future success. But in the end, we are a SERVICE provider. I think owners look for value (however you want to define it) followed closely by how well they're serviced. If the service sucks at any level of the Owner experience (Owners Services, OCC, flight crews, aircraft dispatch availability, etc) then these people will spend their $$ elsewhere. We can win or lose business on the service side. Since the only control I have is at the end point of the service experience, I will continue to do ALL I can to assure the service our owners are provided is an exemplary one.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

Now that's funny!:laugh:

 

[clickclickboom]

I can sum up The history of flight options in one sentence:

TRIPPING OVER $100 BILLS TO PICK UP PENNIES.....

 

[AceCrackshot]

My mistake. Different Model, same principle.

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

What alot of Flight Options Pilots don't seem to understand, is the amount of leverage you now have to secure a contract.

No way will financing be secured for those airplanes unless a viable business plan can be proven that will not end up with Options in bankrupcy. That cannot happen without a Pilot Contract settled.

You guys have more power than you think.

Good Luck!


Freedom is Not Free

This will take a requisite number of the remaining pilots' balls to drop and for them to grow something above their brain stem.

Neither will happen. The leverage existed from the time of the vote on...those who didn't see it then are too stupid or too scared to see.

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS.

 

[dime line]

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS

Dammmmmmm, if that isn't one of the most true statements on this board, I don't know what is.

 

[Galaxy]

More got cut off today.... down to 322.

 

[HSDriver]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

Wonder if he is still happy today?

 

[glasspilot]

One more time...

Fear and Greed.

Those are the two most basic emotions that management LOVES to use against a pilot group. Using those two emotions management can push through ANYTHING!

Management splits the group into thirds. If they can appeal to 2 of the thirds they win.

Let's say they want paycuts. They use greed to appeal to the top third. They say, "if you vote for paycuts we can secure financing for bigger planes. You'll make MORE MONEY!" So the top third votes in the paycuts knowing they will benifit with bigger equipment and hence...more money.

Management uses fear on the bottom third. They say, "hey, if we don't get paycuts then pilots are going to lose their jobs!". The bottom third think about the prospect of standing in an unemployment line and vote for the paycut.

The only rational and objective group is the middle third but they are out voted 2 to 1 and guess what happens? The pilot group votes in their own paycuts!

This technique can be used for anything. Beware!

Good luck Flops. I mean it...

gp.

 

[cjdriver]

Wonder if he is still happy today?

Wow, 322. Yeah, still good. Best wishes for all though. These are humbling times for all of us.

 

[Fedmagnet]

This will take a requisite number of the remaining pilots' balls to drop and for them to grow something above their brain stem.

Neither will happen. The leverage existed from the time of the vote on...those who didn't see it then are too stupid or too scared to see.

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS.

Truely Exhausting! Trying to point out the obvious to someone chasing karrots or selling their souls to get special treatment.

"Painting the model in the lobby orange" Priceless!
Some people saw that model for what it truely was, others signed up for the company neuter and labottomy program served with cool-aid.

Good luck to the families and crews recently let go.

 

[B19 Flyer]

One more time...

Fear and Greed.

Those are the two most basic emotions that management LOVES to use against a pilot group. Using those two emotions management can push through ANYTHING!

Management splits the group into thirds. If they can appeal to 2 of the thirds they win.

Let's say they want paycuts. They use greed to appeal to the top third. They say, "if you vote for paycuts we can secure financing for bigger planes. You'll make MORE MONEY!" So the top third votes in the paycuts knowing they will benifit with bigger equipment and hence...more money.

Management uses fear on the bottom third. They say, "hey, if we don't get paycuts then pilots are going to lose their jobs!". The bottom third think about the prospect of standing in an unemployment line and vote for the paycut.

The only rational and objective group is the middle third but they are out voted 2 to 1 and guess what happens? The pilot group votes in their own paycuts!

This technique can be used for anything. Beware!

Good luck Flops. I mean it...

gp.

It's clear that you would rather see everybody be unemployed. The union creates the split, not management. It's union greed and fear that split the pilot group, and the union thinking will always preserve the top third and high pay over lower pay and more jobs.

The payroll bucket is the same size, it all depends on how it's split. Smaller portions feed more families.

The union way though is to feed fewer families like kings rather than more families and sustain a reasonable way of life.

 

[I'Zheet M'Drarz]

"sustain a reasonable way of life"

I figured you for a Capitalist, Sounds a little Socialistic to me.