Status of Flight Options Including Fleet Plans

[993_Pilot]

You "the taxpayers" are not bailing out anybody in the fractional world my friend, I promise you. Check your data again, maybe do some research, I have no idea where you got that from. . .

I think he fell for Dooker's Thread, "Obama throws $20 billion lifeline to private jet owners", hook, line and sinker.

 

[Fedmagnet]

The "Go Forward Plan" seems to be running backwards. Word from Embraer is they are not counting on any new deliveries in next couple of years to Flops. New orders of Legacys were cancelled. Count of remaining Legacy fleet down to 4. All planes remaining in fleet are for sale. Sales of shares are scarce.
If you are in the market for a poorly managed, poorly maintained fractional, Flops could be had for a bargain.

Flops pilots are still subsidizing the the travel needs of the wealthy remaining customers.

 

[CA1900]

"I could only afford a 1/16th of an Ultra but they tricked me into a 1/4 of a G-IV but we all knew I would have trouble paying for it."

:laugh:

Nicely done, sir!

 

[993_Pilot]

The "Go Forward Plan" seems to be running backwards. Word from Embraer is they are not counting on any new deliveries in next couple of years to Flops. New orders of Legacys were cancelled. Count of remaining Legacy fleet down to 4. All planes remaining in fleet are for sale. . .

All six flew today using the "Options" call sign, according to Fltplan.com AFAIK, the legacy fleet is still at 6, although 1 (N905LX) is owned entirely by one individual, and is for sale... but then it has been for about a year. Are you also saying that the Phenom isn't going to happen? What is your source for this "info" ?

. . . If you are in the market for a poorly managed, poorly maintained fractional, Flops could be had for a bargain. . .

I'm sure Kenn is hoping that you're right.

 

[johnsonrod]

The "Go Forward Plan" seems to be running backwards. Word from Embraer is they are not counting on any new deliveries in next couple of years to Flops. New orders of Legacys were cancelled. Count of remaining Legacy fleet down to 4. All planes remaining in fleet are for sale. Sales of shares are scarce.
If you are in the market for a poorly managed, poorly maintained fractional, Flops could be had for a bargain.

Flops pilots are still subsidizing the the travel needs of the wealthy remaining customers.

Wow - that's a pretty negative assessment. You would think FO would be working very hard to maintain existing customers since newer customers are few and far between nowadays. You can't afford to lose the renewals.

Your Embraer statement does seem a bit general in nature - does that include the Phenom 300s or just the Legacies?????

 

[ProFracPilot]

The "Go Forward Plan" seems to be running backwards. Word from Embraer is they are not counting on any new deliveries in next couple of years to Flops. New orders of Legacys were cancelled. Count of remaining Legacy fleet down to 4. All planes remaining in fleet are for sale. Sales of shares are scarce. If you are in the market for a poorly managed, poorly maintained fractional, Flops could be had for a bargain.

Flops pilots are still subsidizing the the travel needs of the wealthy remaining customers.

It is easy to toss out all kinds of ill-informed negative speculation these days. And while I'm not so naive as to believe all is milk and honey at FlOps (far from it), what you've done is give us your opinion and not so subtley expressed your hope for failure at FlOps - much more so than to have offered any real facts.

It's really time for you to let go of your bitterness and move on...

 

[1folinepilot]

It is easy to toss out all kinds of ill-informed negative speculation these days. And while I'm not so naive as to believe all is milk and honey at FlOps (far from it), what you've done is give us your opinion and not so subtley expressed your hope for failure at FlOps - much more so than to have offered any real facts.

It's really time for you to let go of your bitterness and move on..

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ProFracPilot, Well said sir!

Dwayne, It is time for you to just let go of the past, have some dignity and move on. Your bitterness serves no one

 

[Fedmagnet]

Wow - that's a pretty negative assessment. You would think FO would be working very hard to maintain existing customers since newer customers are few and far between nowadays. You can't afford to lose the renewals.

Your Embraer statement does seem a bit general in nature - does that include the Phenom 300s or just the Legacies?????

You are right, you would think they would but they seem to be determined to run off anyone that comes by.
Beechjets are being parked and scavenged, missing engines, avionics and brakes??
Every plane in the fleet is for sale if you call the right people. Make the call.
All orders for Legacies were cancelled, some existing legacies in fleet have been sold. As far as the big Phenom 300 orders, ask any Embraer sales rep what they think.

Don't take my word for it, check it out.

 

[Dingo221]

You are a bunch oh idiots.
If you actuelly work for Flops as I do, you would not not know anything because we do not know anything about our future.
Oh yeah I heard someone told me that he saw the brand new moke up of a new designed Embraer in Ken's office! so are we going to buy 700 or none?
So shut the F up unless you know

 

[Freedom]

That reminds me...................

You are a bunch oh idiots.
If you actuelly work for Flops as I do, you would not not know anything because we do not know anything about our future.
Oh yeah I heard someone told me that he saw the brand new moke up of a new designed Embraer in Ken's office! so are we going to buy 700 or none?
So shut the F up unless you know

Of the E170 model that use to sit next to the Red Couch in the Flight Options lobby.

The running joke was everyone wanted to sneak in one night, and spray paint the thing Bright Orange, so it would look more like the Carrot it truly was.

All joking aside, I hope things work out for everyone at Flight Options. Although I no longer work there, I still have many friends that do.

Many of these friends have families; as in children that rely on daddy's paycheck, no matter how small it is as compared to the rest of the industry.

Good Luck Guys.

Freedom is Not Free.

 

[cjdriver]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Of the E170 model that use to sit next to the Red Couch in the Flight Options lobby.

The E170 or Lineage wasn't yet a gleam in Embraer's eye when that model was sitting in the lobby. What you saw sitting by the couch was a model of a Fairchild-Dornier Envoy 7 (nee 728Jet). Prototypes were built, but none flew before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt.

 

[Freedom]

You're Correct...

The E170 or Lineage wasn't yet a gleam in Embraer's eye when that model was sitting in the lobby. What you saw sitting by the couch was a model of a Fairchild-Dornier Envoy 7 (nee 728Jet). Prototypes were built, but none flew before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt.

My mistake. Different Model, same principle.

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

What alot of Flight Options Pilots don't seem to understand, is the amount of leverage you now have to secure a contract.

No way will financing be secured for those airplanes unless a viable business plan can be proven that will not end up with Options in bankrupcy. That cannot happen without a Pilot Contract settled.

You guys have more power than you think.

Good Luck!


Freedom is Not Free

 

[ProFracPilot]

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

I agree. The Phenom 300 is a key component to FlOps future success. But in the end, we are a SERVICE provider. I think owners look for value (however you want to define it) followed closely by how well they're serviced. If the service sucks at any level of the Owner experience (Owners Services, OCC, flight crews, aircraft dispatch availability, etc) then these people will spend their $$ elsewhere. We can win or lose business on the service side. Since the only control I have is at the end point of the service experience, I will continue to do ALL I can to assure the service our owners are provided is an exemplary one.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

Now that's funny!:laugh:

 

[clickclickboom]

I can sum up The history of flight options in one sentence:

TRIPPING OVER $100 BILLS TO PICK UP PENNIES.....

 

[AceCrackshot]

My mistake. Different Model, same principle.

Hope you guys get the Phenom 300. Its the only thing I can see that will overcome all the negative perceptions to a potential investor (fractional owner).

What alot of Flight Options Pilots don't seem to understand, is the amount of leverage you now have to secure a contract.

No way will financing be secured for those airplanes unless a viable business plan can be proven that will not end up with Options in bankrupcy. That cannot happen without a Pilot Contract settled.

You guys have more power than you think.

Good Luck!


Freedom is Not Free

This will take a requisite number of the remaining pilots' balls to drop and for them to grow something above their brain stem.

Neither will happen. The leverage existed from the time of the vote on...those who didn't see it then are too stupid or too scared to see.

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS.

 

[dime line]

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS

Dammmmmmm, if that isn't one of the most true statements on this board, I don't know what is.

 

[Galaxy]

More got cut off today.... down to 322.

 

[HSDriver]

Spoke with a flops guy yesterday, he was happy as a clam.

Wonder if he is still happy today?