Status of Flight Options Including Fleet Plans

[glasspilot]

One more time...

Fear and Greed.

Those are the two most basic emotions that management LOVES to use against a pilot group. Using those two emotions management can push through ANYTHING!

Management splits the group into thirds. If they can appeal to 2 of the thirds they win.

Let's say they want paycuts. They use greed to appeal to the top third. They say, "if you vote for paycuts we can secure financing for bigger planes. You'll make MORE MONEY!" So the top third votes in the paycuts knowing they will benifit with bigger equipment and hence...more money.

Management uses fear on the bottom third. They say, "hey, if we don't get paycuts then pilots are going to lose their jobs!". The bottom third think about the prospect of standing in an unemployment line and vote for the paycut.

The only rational and objective group is the middle third but they are out voted 2 to 1 and guess what happens? The pilot group votes in their own paycuts!

This technique can be used for anything. Beware!

Good luck Flops. I mean it...

gp.

 

[cjdriver]

Wonder if he is still happy today?

Wow, 322. Yeah, still good. Best wishes for all though. These are humbling times for all of us.

 

[Fedmagnet]

This will take a requisite number of the remaining pilots' balls to drop and for them to grow something above their brain stem.

Neither will happen. The leverage existed from the time of the vote on...those who didn't see it then are too stupid or too scared to see.

I'm sorry if I sound bitter, but I spent far too long explaining the far too obvious to far too many people at FLOPS.

Truely Exhausting! Trying to point out the obvious to someone chasing karrots or selling their souls to get special treatment.

"Painting the model in the lobby orange" Priceless!
Some people saw that model for what it truely was, others signed up for the company neuter and labottomy program served with cool-aid.

Good luck to the families and crews recently let go.

 

[B19 Flyer]

One more time...

Fear and Greed.

Those are the two most basic emotions that management LOVES to use against a pilot group. Using those two emotions management can push through ANYTHING!

Management splits the group into thirds. If they can appeal to 2 of the thirds they win.

Let's say they want paycuts. They use greed to appeal to the top third. They say, "if you vote for paycuts we can secure financing for bigger planes. You'll make MORE MONEY!" So the top third votes in the paycuts knowing they will benifit with bigger equipment and hence...more money.

Management uses fear on the bottom third. They say, "hey, if we don't get paycuts then pilots are going to lose their jobs!". The bottom third think about the prospect of standing in an unemployment line and vote for the paycut.

The only rational and objective group is the middle third but they are out voted 2 to 1 and guess what happens? The pilot group votes in their own paycuts!

This technique can be used for anything. Beware!

Good luck Flops. I mean it...

gp.

It's clear that you would rather see everybody be unemployed. The union creates the split, not management. It's union greed and fear that split the pilot group, and the union thinking will always preserve the top third and high pay over lower pay and more jobs.

The payroll bucket is the same size, it all depends on how it's split. Smaller portions feed more families.

The union way though is to feed fewer families like kings rather than more families and sustain a reasonable way of life.

 

[I'Zheet M'Drarz]

"sustain a reasonable way of life"

I figured you for a Capitalist, Sounds a little Socialistic to me.

 

[Fozzy]

"sustain a reasonable way of life"

I figured you for a Capitalist, Sounds a little Socialistic to me.

Didn't an indentured servant have a reasonable way of life.
I guess as long as someone else gets to decide what reasonable is.

 

[CA1900]

The world needs ditch-diggers too, Danny.

 

[AceCrackshot]

It's clear that you would rather see everybody be unemployed. The union creates the split, not management. It's union greed and fear that split the pilot group, and the union thinking will always preserve the top third and high pay over lower pay and more jobs.

The payroll bucket is the same size, it all depends on how it's split. Smaller portions feed more families.

The union way though is to feed fewer families like kings rather than more families and sustain a reasonable way of life.

I'd happily see everyone at FLOPS unemployed, and all Fractional Pilots receive better wages and benefits.

B19, like most management believes in socialism for himself in the form of guarenteed wages and benefits, bonuses, and job security. But, he believes in capitalism for you, in the form of you losing your job to make up for mismanagement (see also, History of Flight Options, 2003 to present.)

 

[GooseHZ]

....

Thats a bit much Ace...

 

[AceCrackshot]

Thats a bit much Ace...

Probably true, but the simply fact is that last 7 years of aviation history suggests that keeping dying companies around well past their sell-by day, hasn't helped the profession much. This is doubly true when concessions by the pilot group (usually the lions' share of the concessions) don't contain snap-back conditions or the like.

What good is done by saving a few guys careers sitting at the top of heap, if we do by cutting the jobs of everyone at the bottom, and reducing the negotiating position of those who remain?

I don't think that anyone can deny there has been an overall downward racheting effect on pilot pay and wages since 2000 (with the exception of NJ.)

So, if we want the profession to prosper on a twenty or thirty year timeframe, there's going to be pain, and some are going to feel more pain than others. In the case of 1108 and early days of unionization at FLOPS, there was acceptance in principle of a union seniority list. Now, there were a thousand miles between that and some kind of working fractional pilot seniority list that was usable, but we accomplished more on that score with a 30 minute phone call than ALPA did from 1978 onward.

In the specific case of FLOPS, the ball is, and has been, in the FLOPS pilots' court. Too many simply lack the courage to swing. Pain was someone else, as long as the had their left seat in a Hawker or X or large cabin. Now, that's being threatened. I think that Winston Churchill stated it best when he said:

"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."