Status of Flight Options Including Fleet Plans

[B19 Flyer]

Safest form of transportation?

Top 3 most dangerous jobs.

1) Fisherman

2) Pilot

3) logger

I don't see any other aviation type job on the list.

Interesting. You are right. You're a commercial pilot, right? Safest form of transportation? Agreed?

Who makes it the safest form of transportation?

Pilots? Or perhaps those in management that put the systems and standards together to mitigate risk?

The answer is those in management that mitigate risk.

 

[gunfyter]

19,

All honorable jobs....

But none have done what I have to get where I am. Otherwise they would be here.

Here is a CLUE ... Compare the Interview process for hiring of pilots with that of other positions at an airline or aviation company....

Look, just accept the fact that being a pilot is a $200K per year job and don't whine about it if you are not a pilot and make less.... Do something about it.
Get your ATP and thousands of hours of experience Flight Instructing, fly night freight and charter ... etc.. While living on Ramen noodles and Mac and Cheese. Then apply to the airlines .... Its that simple.

Its like a Sports team... the is the admin, sales, groundskeepers, concession stands personnel etc....


But the Players on the Diamond are the ones with the investment in Baseball.... And they Have a Union....

 

[B19 Flyer]

It's not always about the money...

19,

All honorable jobs....

But none have done what I have to get where I am. Otherwise they would be here.

Here is a CLUE ... Compare the Interview process for hiring of pilots with that of other positions at an airline or aviation company....

Look, just accept the fact that being a pilot is a $200K per year job and don't whine about it if you are not a pilot and make less.... Do something about it.

Get your ATP and thousands of hours of experience Flight Instructing, fly night freight and charter ... etcc.. While living on Ramen noodles and Mac and Cheese. Then apply to the airlines .... Its that simple.

Geez ... should I start whining because I don't earn as much as my Doctor or my Electrician and plumber?

$200K per year thats what we need to get a decent ROI an what we invest in this career.

What exactly have you done that make you any more special than any other pilot? I've worked with guys that flew with the 160th that didn't take that attitude with them. I'm certain you haven't flown at that level.

The exact point I was trying to make fischman is that many of these folks invested financially just as deeply as you did, but chose not to fly for a living. They accepted the lower wage for what they considered a higher quality of life.

Have you ever interviewed for any other position in aviation? Probably not. You sure as heck haven't interviewed for a senior management position where the vetting makes hiring a pilot look like beginners day.

You don't seem to appreciate the fact that others, myself included, do other things in the industry. You can't do what I do unless you've had years of experience. Each job has different skills and none of it is learned overnight.

It's not always about the money...

 

[gunfyter]

So you are comparing vetting Senior management with Pilot Hiring....

Good job. Both six figure careers. Now you are talking. Before I was thinking you thought everybody and their brother in support roles had as much invested in aviation as the Pilots.... But now I see you have put us in the right category.

 

[jehtplane]

Interesting. You are right. You're a commercial pilot, right? Safest form of transportation? Agreed?

Who makes it the safest form of transportation?

Pilots? Or perhaps those in management that put the systems and standards together to mitigate risk?

The answer is those in management that mitigate risk.

Really? Did you write a standard practice for say, landing an Airbus in the Hudson River. Pilots through their individual experience develop skills and instincts that are not covered in any manual or standard practice, we like to call it thinking outside the box. There are things that cannot be taught by a book. There is no way for any checklist or any SP that can cover everything that can happen. Sometimes you just have to figure it out as a crew between the two guys in the cockpit and get the job done, that my friend is irreplaceable. Back to Flight Options thread now, I hope you guys come out of this and thrive, as a furloughed CS guy, we do not need any more on the street. Good luck.

 

[waka]

Interesting. You are right. You're a commercial pilot, right? Safest form of transportation? Agreed?

Who makes it the safest form of transportation?

Pilots? Or perhaps those in management that put the systems and standards together to mitigate risk?

The answer is those in management that mitigate risk.

This is why you have never been and never will be a professional pilot. Yeah yeah, I know, you lost your medical. I'm glad that you didn't take care of yourself like you should have and lost it.

 

[johnsonrod]

Hey B19 Flyer,

Do you know what the original topic was for this thread? Perhaps you could take your nonsensical, blabbering cr@p to another thread...

I want to thank 52Vincent for finally taking control of this thread and answering the original questions.

 

[993_Pilot]

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. . .

Can't you keep a thread on topic ???

( Here comes, "but he started it" )

 

[52Vincent]

Hey B19 Flyer,

Do you know what the original topic was for this thread? Perhaps you could take your nonsensical, blabbering cr@p to another thread...

I want to thank 52Vincent for finally taking control of this thread and answering the original questions.

Thanks JR, but it appears my hijack attempt was foolhardy.
Lets all just get along and try to stick to the original topic of this thread.

Have a great day!!!

 

[AeroBoy]

Interesting. You are right. You're a commercial pilot, right? Safest form of transportation? Agreed?

Who makes it the safest form of transportation?

Pilots? Or perhaps those in management that put the systems and standards together to mitigate risk?

The answer is those in management that mitigate risk.

I'm certain Capt. Sullenberger would disagree entirely with your conclusion.

 

[B19 Flyer]

What a horrible example to choose.

I'm certain Capt. Sullenberger would disagree entirely with your conclusion.

What a horrible example to choose. He has already stated otherwise, thus I disagree with what your opinion.

From the moment the union allowed him to speak, he praised all the training and experience he received leading up to that moment. He never once has stated that there was anything special about what he did. He stated he was just doing his job as he was trained to do.

He would be the first one to thank all of his instructors and mentors for teaching him what was necessary to make those split second decisions.

All those training programs were developed by the people you folks disrespect on these boards every day. Management.

 

[B19 Flyer]

One more time...

Fear and Greed.

Those are the two most basic emotions that management LOVES to use against a pilot group. Using those two emotions management can push through ANYTHING!

Management splits the group into thirds. If they can appeal to 2 of the thirds they win.

Let's say they want paycuts. They use greed to appeal to the top third. They say, "if you vote for paycuts we can secure financing for bigger planes. You'll make MORE MONEY!" So the top third votes in the paycuts knowing they will benifit with bigger equipment and hence...more money.

Management uses fear on the bottom third. They say, "hey, if we don't get paycuts then pilots are going to lose their jobs!". The bottom third think about the prospect of standing in an unemployment line and vote for the paycut.

The only rational and objective group is the middle third but they are out voted 2 to 1 and guess what happens? The pilot group votes in their own paycuts!

This technique can be used for anything. Beware!

Good luck Flops. I mean it...

gp.

OK, this is the post I responded to that supposedly sent the thread off track. I think it was way off track long before my first post.
If you guys can figure out how this post relates to the thread, go for it.

 

[brokeflyer]

OK, this is the post I responded to that supposedly sent the thread off track. I think it was way off track long before my first post.
If you guys can figure out how this post relates to the thread, go for it.

cause im a awesome netjets captain....and I say so.

 

[AeroBoy]

What a horrible example to choose. He has already stated otherwise, thus I disagree with what your opinion.

From the moment the union allowed him to speak, he praised all the training and experience he received leading up to that moment. He never once has stated that there was anything special about what he did. He stated he was just doing his job as he was trained to do.

He would be the first one to thank all of his instructors and mentors for teaching him what was necessary to make those split second decisions.

All those training programs were developed by the people you folks disrespect on these boards every day. Management.

B19, as usual you distort the facts. Sully said in press interviews it was his "glider" training that helped him bring in the deadstick Airbus. Are you seriously going to make the argument that US Airways pays to train every one of its pilots in a glider?

Please take that foot out of your mouth, especially after you've stepped in dog sh!t.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Nuts...

B19, as usual you distort the facts. Sully said in press interviews it was his "glider" training that helped him bring in the deadstick Airbus. Are you seriously going to make the argument that US Airways pays to train every one of its pilots in a glider?

Please take that foot out of your mouth, especially after you've stepped in dog sh!t.

I'm not distorting the facts. He had a lifetime of training that all came together at once.

Who designs training programs?

Who designed the training program that allowed him to be a glider instructor?

There is no foot in my mouth, the facts are what they are. He was a highly trained pilot that knew exactly what to do when the moment occurred.

You must be suggesting that he could have accomplished that landing with no training at all.

I'm not even going to engage this conversation, you are dumping on every pilot by your statements.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/flowcha...rger-really-saved-us-airways-flight-1549.html

Thorough training. Sullenberger may be a model aviator, but it wasn’t heroism that brought Flight 1549 down safely. It was rigorous training that’s inbred in the U.S. aviation system. Pilots have to fly for years before they can command an airliner, and even experienced pilots must routinely train in simulators and pass “check rides” at least once a year under the supervision of Federal Aviation Administration inspectors. Pilots sometimes gripe about overzealous FAA inspectors, but the oversight contributes to a culture of accountability and fastidious attention to detail in the cockpit.
For airline pilots, training focuses on dire scenarios, such as the US Airways crew encountered. “Pilots don’t spend their training time flying straight and level,” says airline pilot Lynn Spencer, author of Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama That Unfolded in the Skies over America on 9/11. “In simulator training, we’re doing nothing but flying in all sorts of emergencies. Even emergencies become just another set of procedures when repeatedly trained.”


That was found in about 10 seconds worth of searching.

Now, you have to find something that tells me that training wasn't important on that water landing.

 

[AeroBoy]

I'm not distorting the facts. He had a lifetime of training that all came together at once.

Who designs training programs?

Who designed the training program that allowed him to be a glider instructor?

There is no foot in my mouth, the facts are what they are. He was a highly trained pilot that knew exactly what to do when the moment occurred.

You must be suggesting that he could have accomplished that landing with no training at all.

I'm not even going to engage this conversation, you are dumping on every pilot by your statements.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/flowcha...rger-really-saved-us-airways-flight-1549.html

Thorough training. Sullenberger may be a model aviator, but it wasn’t heroism that brought Flight 1549 down safely. It was rigorous training that’s inbred in the U.S. aviation system. Pilots have to fly for years before they can command an airliner, and even experienced pilots must routinely train in simulators and pass “check rides” at least once a year under the supervision of Federal Aviation Administration inspectors. Pilots sometimes gripe about overzealous FAA inspectors, but the oversight contributes to a culture of accountability and fastidious attention to detail in the cockpit.
For airline pilots, training focuses on dire scenarios, such as the US Airways crew encountered. “Pilots don’t spend their training time flying straight and level,” says airline pilot Lynn Spencer, author of Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama That Unfolded in the Skies over America on 9/11. “In simulator training, we’re doing nothing but flying in all sorts of emergencies. Even emergencies become just another set of procedures when repeatedly trained.”


That was found in about 10 seconds worth of searching.

Now, you have to find something that tells me that training wasn't important on that water landing.

Thanks for giving me Lynn Spencer opinion of Sullenberger's feat. I gave it 10 seconds of my time.

Now here's some ACTUAL quotes from Sully, and he isn't singing the praises of airline management, either.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Thanks for giving me Lynn Spencer opinion of Sullenberger's feat. I gave it 10 seconds of my time.

Now here's some ACTUAL quotes from Sully, and he isn't singing the praises of airline management, either.

His very first statements talks about his years of training.

Who designs the training?

Management.

 

[brokeflyer]

well really "I" designed the training. The FAA came to me with seveal aviation manager to develop a training program for flight.

All of you have done it

you're welcome.

 

[993_Pilot]

His very first statements talks about his years of training.

Who designs the training?

Management.

Actually, at most companies, the training department is made up of mostly line pilots with probably a few pilots who have lost their medical and would rather be flying the line.

 

[dime line]

well really "I" designed the training. The FAA came to me with seveal aviation manager to develop a training program for flight.

All of you have done it

you're welcome.

im gonna kick your azz....the feds came to me and I designed the airplane and I wrote the far/aim. quit trying to distort the truth, your like da19.