Standby Duty at Flex

[glasspilot]

(Head in hand shaking)

Regarding A, how does my company back up flights? Easy...they call me and I...wait for it...ANSWER THE DAMN PHONE!!!!

as to B and C....Your union negotiated a "certain time" that you can sit at an FBO without the other guy or an airplane? Yeah...that's great.
Ummm....glad to see those dues are well spent. Geez, now you're doing B19's job for him if you think sitting for only 3 hours at an FBO with no way to fly even if you wanted to is a good idea.

 

[imacdog]

Sounds like you wouldn't have a very quick response time to recover a flight.

 

[bluepost]

I answer my phone too when I am at the hotel.....when I am on duty, and rested.

Who ever said I/we don't have a problem with 91 rules? But by nature, a 91 pilot doesn't have thousands of customers that may call at any min for a flight or have hundreds of other aircraft that may break and need to be recovered.

I have not sat around an FBO without a crew or plane for as long as I can remember...if it was, it was waiting for a sedan to come pick me up.

Sure, our company could send us to sit at the fbo without a crew or plane, but why would they? Why does your company make you show at the airport with no trips?

NJAs computer automatically schedules back up flights in regions based on flight numbers in that region. So you may be on at 9am till 11am at teb, then takeoff at noon with pax, meanwhile from 11am till 2pm, someone in MMU is sitting hot spare, then gets released to the hotel, and at 2 pm someones lands at HPN and is kept on duty until 6 pm, then released etc. Doesn't happen every day, most times you are either shut off or SENT TO THE HOTEL ON DUTY, while they figure out the next days brief. Why would a company turn you off at 7 hours of duty while you were at the hotel unless they had a trip in 10 hours?

NJA has been operating with PROSPECTIVE rest for almost 4 years, longer when you count the BBJ or the 135 trips prior to 91k. In that time we have been profitable, hired crews, and grown the company. It works quite well.

 

[bluepost]

By the way...last time I broke with pax, some crew "just sitting around an FBO" ferried in to SRQ from RSW already fueled and was airborn 50 min from our original departure time.

This ties in nicely to the other thread on whether NJA is worth the money. We have a customer in OK that has 2 backup aircraft sitting there ready all day, because they average 5 or more flights in and out of that airport every day.

These backup crew were not woken up at 6am after 12 or even 15 hours off, when they were resting for their noon show. They were briefed the night prior, and rested accordingly. They were provided quality meals of thier choice and quantity. This is what NJA customers get with us and I am proud of that.

 

[Flex-ible]

Come on...some of you guys are acting like children. If you have 10 hours of rest and are not in any way fatigued answer your phone. You are on the road anyway, what is the difference if you fly at 0900 or 1500.

If the practice is legal by the regs or contract, if you are not flying fatigued....be a man and go earn your paycheck.

For god sake people......some of you are just pathetic. When you guys are done feeling like you are "screwing the man", you will find out you are just screwing yourself.

Here, Here.

This sounds reasonable, and a balance between being a "company guy" and being "screwing the man". If I got off at 6 pm with a 3 pm show the next day, I will not be answering my phone at 4 am (when the 10 hours are up). But if I am up watching Matlock reruns at 10 am, why would I not answer the phone? If the company needs me, and I say yes, I win in many ways:
- I get out of the "hotel rot" which IMO is only marginally better than "airport rot";
- I get some brownie points with dispatch, that I will cash in on my last day with a request to take the 7 a.m. flight home (they said yes last week!);
- I help ensure my company's success - and thus my job - by meeting a customer's expectations.

Cheers.

 

[glasspilot]

While your company is providing triple protection for flights my company is gaining market share. I think I'll keep answering my phone. G'nite, I'm on rest now...

 

[glasspilot]

Why does your company make you show at the airport with no trips?

That's my point. THEY DON"T!!!!

Because I answer the phone!

Now, I really am going to bed.

 

[brokeflyer]

wow...poor guy. I feel bad when i see that happen.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Glass,

If you are flying Part 91K or Part 135, are briefed for a noon duty report time, they call you at 6 AM (lets say you went off duty 10 hours or more earlier) for an 8 AM takeoff WITH passengers on a Part 91K or 135 flight and you do it, you have just flown an ILLEGAL flight segment. "Manning up" and answering the phone prior to the end of your scheduled rest period for revenue flights is a VIOLATION of the regulations. If you've had 10 hours off and they call you before your scheduled report time to move the jet Part 91 to give to another crew and you answer the phone, then you are fair game. But revenue flights? Ah, no.

 

[Dooker]

Thank you Mr. "I love Management". If you are willing to let them run your QOL like that then fine, by all means go for it, just don't be upset when your partner won't answer.

What, exactly, is the definition of "moderator," anyway, around here? Once you start chiming in on all the issues, don't you, by definition, forfeit that title?

And once you threaten to forward someone's anonymous personal information to the former HR queen at a certain fractional for which you work because of a hilarious spoof post involving said HR queen that you obviously didn't get, doesn't that constitute a breech of moderatorial discretion?

Anyone?