Spirit Questions

[huncowboy]

True. You can't be standing available. But you can be called once they deplete group A pilots. And group B starts with reserve pilots and talks about them being on their days off. And it is not only for junior manning. That language is several categories later.

What people are doing, and is not covered, is calling in and asking for trips. Technically scheduling should initiate all this and they should run out of Group A before calling a reserve guy. But if the trip is within two days, there really is nothing that prevents pilots calling. This is why LAS is always red and FLL is green.

 

[Flyer1015]

huncowboy, as of right now, what's the DOH of the most junior Captain at Spirit?

 

[huncowboy]

I think the last award for effective 02/2013 LAS CA was 2007 October hire. So a bit over 5y. By early 2014 we should be seeing guys upgrading that were hired in 2011. So it will go down to a 3-3.5y upgrade since there was no hiring between mid 2008 to mid 2011 or so.

 

[1.3XVso]

I find it funny how all the people who had something negative about spirit all of a sudden applying and wanting to get in nk. This industry never surprises me.

 

[SAABaroowski]

I find it funny how all the people who had something negative about spirit all of a sudden applying and wanting to get in nk. This industry never surprises me.

I think when one actually takes a minute to really take a good look at Spirit, one would be crazy NOT TO GO. The company makes more profit than any other airline (profit margin)ZERO debt, $400,000,000.00 in the bank, new A/C, seems like a no brainer.

crews all seem great as well.

 

[1.3XVso]

I think when one actually takes a minute to really take a good look at Spirit, one would be crazy NOT TO GO. The company makes more profit than any other airline (profit margin)ZERO debt, $400,000,000.00 in the bank, new A/C, seems like a no brainer.

crews all seem great as well.

I agree. Those people actually look like fools now.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

i agree Spirit looks really nice, but with United's new contract and 587 vacancies on their last bid, people will still choose United and I still wont be suprised in the next 2 years when more hiring picks up for more people going there and other majors, even wouldnt be suprised if people leaving Spirit for United and Delta because they still want to chase the HEAVY aircraft... people still have that mentality of flying the 777, me personally just want a QOL and paid what i should to fly something nice, doesnt have to be a 777. My priorities change as i get older

 

[1.3XVso]

Even the guys that don't want spirit are applying and getting hired making it hard for us who want to go impossible for a interview. I heard a case of a Memphis 9e guy who in 6 month in the company at nk already making us 9e guys look bad. A friend said his arrogant tantrum have been pissing off lots of nk captains.BH are his initials. I heard this guy doesn't even want spirit and screwed over guys while his employment at 9e! Spirit pilots not all of us pinnacle guys are bad to work with. Accept my apologies for this tool bag in advance!

 

[king10pin02]

Even the guys that don't want spirit are applying and getting hired making it hard for us who want to go impossible for a interview. I heard a case of a Memphis 9e guy who in 6 month in the company at nk already making us 9e guys look bad. A friend said his arrogant tantrum have been pissing off lots of nk captains.BH are his initials. I heard this guy doesn't even want spirit and screwed over guys while his employment at 9e! Spirit pilots not all of us pinnacle guys are bad to work with. Accept my apologies for this tool bag in advance!

Hes not the only 9e guy having issues here

 

[SAABaroowski]

Hopefully they like XJT guys

 

[Hypoxik]

A few of our guys are liking it Joe

 

[SAABaroowski]

A few of our guys are liking it Joe

Hey buddy . I meant I hope Spirit guys likes flying with former XJT guys

 

[Flyer1015]

Even the guys that don't want spirit are applying and getting hired making it hard for us who want to go impossible for a interview. I heard a case of a Memphis 9e guy who in 6 month in the company at nk already making us 9e guys look bad. A friend said his arrogant tantrum have been pissing off lots of nk captains.BH are his initials. I heard this guy doesn't even want spirit and screwed over guys while his employment at 9e! Spirit pilots not all of us pinnacle guys are bad to work with. Accept my apologies for this tool bag in advance!

Hes not the only 9e guy having issues here

He got hired at Spirit? And here I thought you guys had an interview process.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

Hopefully they like XJT guys

Me too man.... I applied 3 times this year, nothing yet... I have friends that love it there and trying to get me the email, so far no luck!

 

[king10pin02]

go to job fair..no job fair=98% chance of no email/interview

 

[fandango]

so....when is the next job fair?

 

[Flyguy1226]

so....when is the next job fair?

March in ATL, but Spirit isnt coming as of yet. Spirit and USAir are confirmed for the job fair in May in ORD.

 

[Coffee Pot]

Even the guys that don't want spirit are applying and getting hired making it hard for us who want to go impossible for a interview. I heard a case of a Memphis 9e guy who in 6 month in the company at nk already making us 9e guys look bad. A friend said his arrogant tantrum have been pissing off lots of nk captains. BH are his initials. I heard this guy doesn't even want spirit and screwed over guys while his employment at 9e! Spirit pilots not all of us pinnacle guys are bad to work with. Accept my apologies for this tool bag in advance!

Did this BH guy happen to work at ACA early 2000's?

 

[1.3XVso]

Did this BH guy happen to work at ACA early 2000's?

Not sure, he was a 2006 hire at 9e.

 

[Coffee Pot]

Not sure, he was a 2006 hire at 9e.

Timing is about right. Does his last name rhyme with Nixon?

 

[SAABaroowski]

Got the good word this past week, class beginning of March

 

[Sherpa]

Congrats!

 

[Flyer1015]

Timing is about right. Does his last name rhyme with Nixon?

No, but his last name is pretty close to a character in Family Guy.

 

[Flyer1015]

go to job fair..no job fair=98% chance of no email/interview

I went to a Spirit-only job fair they had in FLL, I had a couple internal recommendations, and met their minimums. Not even a "thanks for applying, but no thanks." I heard nothing.

 

[SAABaroowski]

I went to a Spirit-only job fair they had in FLL, I had a couple internal recommendations, and met their minimums. Not even a "thanks for applying, but no thanks." I heard nothing.

Who did you speak with? Hiring is going to pick up and continue for a while. I would head to another one if you really want to work there. What are your times like? What are you flying now?

 

[Flyer1015]

Who did you speak with? Hiring is going to pick up and continue for a while. I would head to another one if you really want to work there. What are your times like? What are you flying now?

This experience was back in 2011. I don't know the name of the person I saw, but I do know he was a FO with about 6 months at the company. I had pretty much the bare minimums, ATP 4000 at the time. I'm now at the other A320 LCC on the west coast, and with 2nd year pay it'd be hard to make a lateral move.

 

[woog315]

I think when one actually takes a minute to really take a good look at Spirit, one would be crazy NOT TO GO. The company makes more profit than any other airline (profit margin)ZERO debt, $400,000,000.00 in the bank, new A/C, seems like a no brainer.

crews all seem great as well.

You have a really simplistic understanding of Spirit's situation.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...tor-beware-hidden-debt-at-spirit-airline.aspx

I am not picking a side in regards to Spirit- they do have an interesting business model- but it's important to realize they aren't some miracle cash flush ultra money printing machine, and it could in fact come crashing down very quickly if we have a significant economic slowdown, or if people just get fed up with their atrocious customer service.

 

[ROSWELL41]

That motley fool article says nothing new. Spirit leases all of its airplanes. We are in bad economic times and Spirit is doing fine. Spirit has been in business far longer than B6 or VX. No business is immune from downside risk, but to say that because Spirit leases their aircraft they have greater risk than if they owned the planes is a joke. In fact, hard economic times push more customers into Spirit's market.

 

[woog315]

That motley fool article says nothing new. Spirit leases all of its airplanes. We are in bad economic times and Spirit is doing fine. Spirit has been in business far longer than B6 or VX. No business is immune from downside risk, but to say that because Spirit leases their aircraft they have greater risk than if they owned the planes is a joke. In fact, hard economic times push more customers into Spirit's market.

Spirit's business model completely changed about 5 years ago, they essentially aren't the same company anymore- so "they've stood the test of time" arguments don't really fly. They are a RyanAir clone now and, like I said, I'm really not suggesting that they are doomed to failure- I'm just pointing out that calling them "debt free" is not accurate or useful as having lease payments instead of debt payments is not any sort of meaningful advantage. We are not in bad economic times right now, we're in mediocre times. Spirit's model works as long as they don't have to park planes... if they do, their cost structure is going to skyrocket much faster than companies who own their planes. That's just a fact. They're small right now- and that works to their advantage, but they are looking to expand pretty aggressively.

 

[SAABaroowski]

You have a really simplistic understanding of Spirit's situation.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...tor-beware-hidden-debt-at-spirit-airline.aspx

I am not picking a side in regards to Spirit- they do have an interesting business model- but it's important to realize they aren't some miracle cash flush ultra money printing machine, and it could in fact come crashing down very quickly if we have a significant economic slowdown, or if people just get fed up with their atrocious customer service.

First of all, people don't purchase tickets based on Customer service, they purchase them based on price, except for business travelers which aren't Spirits target consumer anyway. Secondly, I understand Spirits situation fairly well. They may have some large bills in the future, but there is nothing to indicate they will have problems paying them. It is fair to say that Zero debt was a poor wording? yes ill give you that.