Spirit contract unofficial results?

[GogglesPisano]

this did wonders for UAL in 2000 did it not?, shut'em down lots of other airlines would love to pick up the flying.

It did work wonders for UAL pilots. It led to the best post-dereg contract in the history of the profession.

 

[OrionFE]

Looks like 74 percent of Spirit pilots are a joke! How could they ever vote in a contract without retro pay?

You don't know much about contract negotiations do you!

 

[PCL_128]

You don't know much about contract negotiations do you!

That could be said about almost everyone on Flightinfo.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Actually, there are a lot of other options to ensure good faith bargaining. You can build in deadlines into the duration section of the agreement. You can include early openers for groups of sections rather than waiting for the full Section 6 opener. You can include automatic pay bumps every year past the amendable date. The list goes on.

Clinging to the hope of full retro pay is no way to force a company to bargain in good faith, because quite frankly, companies don't have enough cash laying around to pay full retro pay. This isn't 1999 anymore, folks. If you wait around for full retro, you're the only one that's going to get screwed, not the company, because they're never going to end up paying it. Think outside of the box to find ways to force them to bargain in good faith.

Really? Let's say this thing drags on for 2 more years. That's 3.5 years without a contract for CAL, 2.5 for UAL. An average retro check per pilot of $100K per pilot in this case is very reasonable, if not on the low side. Multiply by 11,000 and you come up with $1.1 billion, while our combined company currently has around $8.5 bil in the bank, and hopefully more by the time the JCBA is signed. I would also be in favor of spreading the retro out over a 2-3 year time frame. This would greatly reduce our tax liability, meaning more take home $$$, and would decrease the financial burden on the company, which should be smiled upon by the NMB. Seems affordable to me.

 

[PCL_128]

If you think the NMB is going to "smile on" a demand for over a billion dollars in retro pay, then you don't know much about the NMB. But hey, good luck with that!

 

[pilotyip]

It did work wonders for UAL pilots. It led to the best post-dereg contract in the history of the profession.

For how long and in the long run it was not getting management's attention, it was driving away customers, particularily first class. Who took their money elsewhere after being inconvienced

 

[PCL_128]

yip, I'm generally opposed to this illegal job action BS that the guys around here like to talk about, but you're crazy if you think the Summer of Love at UAL did anything to drive customers away for more than a few weeks. Passengers care about one thing: price. As long as the UAL ticket shows up at the top of the Expedia list, that's what they'll purchase, regardless of how long their taxi to the gate took 10 years ago.

Pilot illegal job actions are generally counter-productive to achieving contracts, but they aren't going to drive away customers for longer than a month or two.

 

[Raoul Duke]

what about having a code that pilots can use to tell if they should wear their hats or not?

 

[jonjuan]

yip, I'm generally opposed to this illegal job action BS that the guys around here like to talk about, but you're crazy if you think the Summer of Love at UAL did anything to drive customers away for more than a few weeks. Passengers care about one thing: price. As long as the UAL ticket shows up at the top of the Expedia list, that's what they'll purchase, regardless of how long their taxi to the gate took 10 years ago.

Pilot illegal job actions are generally counter-productive to achieving contracts, but they aren't going to drive away customers for longer than a month or two.

You're crazy if you don't think the summer of love had long term ramifications on corporate accounts. At the time, my brother was an exec with a fortune 500 company and after the numerous travel headaches they switched much of their flying to AA and DAL, much of which was using international and domestic premium fares. The average customer may only care about the cheapest ticket when flying to see grandma, however, many corporate travel departments care more about getting business done in a timely manner. It's these customers who are the most valuable.

 

[pilotyip]

yip, I'm generally opposed to this illegal job action BS that the guys around here like to talk about, but you're crazy if you think the Summer of Love at UAL did anything to drive customers away for more than a few weeks. Passengers care about one thing: price. As long as the UAL ticket shows up at the top of the Expedia list, that's what they'll purchase, regardless of how long their taxi to the gate took 10 years ago.

Pilot illegal job actions are generally counter-productive to achieving contracts, but they aren't going to drive away customers for longer than a month or two.

Only know what I read in the pubs, I see a touch of reality in your post lately, nice to see