Southwest's Artful Approach

[atafan]

There are too many "x-factors". There are too many FE/FOs, there are too many people without the 1000 or 1300 turbine PIC or what ever the number is now, there are too many people who have interviewed with SWA 1, 2, or 3 times already and did not get hired.

"SWA will never codeshare with an airline."

"SWA will never fly to PHL or DEN."

"SWA will never have a frequent flier program."

"SWA will never share a frequent flier program."

"SWA will never say never."

SWA management will do whatever they think they need to do to survive and prosper.

P.S. I know that ATA has our 10% of characters but I assure you so does SWA and they know how to take care of them. I have never applied to SWA but just because SWA didn't hire an ATA pilot I don't include them in the undesirable lot.

 

[SWA/FO]

Mugs - your not on my list Good or bad. I don't think that much about you. Which could be a good thing for you.

 

[Mugs]

Mugs - your not on my list Good or bad. I don't think that much about you. Which could be a good thing for you.

Thanks Martha.

 

[canyonblue]

Just be a man and admit you sounded like an a$$hole when you made the, "They better not take any of our flying"! comment.

As soon as you can find where I made that quote, I will. I don't see ATA taking any of SWA's flying that we currently do. I am worried about possible whipsawing, like Pickle stated, being injected into either pilot group. Your ability to "read" into what I was posting is what prompted me to comment on your drinking. Or is it Southwest that you don't care for, so you take any chance to take some jabs. If so, please get that cleared by Mugs, and that other guy who quit SWA to go to AA, oh yea Big Slick. They seem to have the corner on the anti-SWA banter. And where is it that you work?

 

[Mugs]

As soon as you can find where I made that quote, I will. I don't see ATA taking any of SWA's flying that we currently do. I am worried about possible whipsawing, like Pickle stated, being injected into either pilot group. Your ability to "read" into what I was posting is what prompted me to comment on your drinking. Or is it Southwest that you don't care for, so you take any chance to take some jabs. If so, please get that cleared by Mugs, and that other guy who quit SWA to go to AA, oh yea Big Slick. They seem to have the corner on the anti-SWA banter. And where is it that you work?

Yawn. How typical. Take the other side of an issue involving SWA, like the Wright Amendment, and you are automatically anti-SWA and the Flightinfo cult swoops in. I thought this forum was about debate. You guys really get wrapped around the axle attempting to do that. You know you work for an excellent company, so why get all bent out of shape? If I reacted the way you do day in and day out, I'd have triple your posts going wacko over other people's UAL opinions.

Quite frankly, a repeal of the WA might be a good thing for UAL. If it disrupts AMRs revenue stream at DFW, perhaps there would be less fight they could put up at places like ORD. Since my unbiased opinion is that I think the WA should remain in place, I stick with the argument I feel is correct on the subject. If that makes me a "hater" in your book, I could care less.

 

[ivauir]

Really? Heck I've peaked in on this board since 1997. I have to say that of all the responses I have seen, the one I got when I evidently ticked off one of your "SWAPA Bro's" took the cake. That of course was being informed that I had been "reported" to the guy keeping "the list" of "SWA haters" and would be added to that list. Unbelievable. The thought of one of you guys furiously entering screen names to "the list" after an evening on Flightinfo is just hilarious. Unfortunately in your world, taking the opposite side of an argument involving SWA makes you a "hater." Between that and "the list", it is very cult-like behavior.

How about the behavior of someone who jumps on every SWA thread and posts hateful often untrue statments? Is that rational behaior?

 

[Mugs]

How about the behavior of someone who jumps on every SWA thread and posts hateful often untrue statments? Is that rational behaior?

If I often post hateful and untrue statements on SWA threads as you claim, why haven't you lobbied the moderators to ban me then? Such alleged behavior, if true, should be grounds for dismissal. Why don't you get on that project instead of being so "rational" as the bookeeper of screen names for the Flightinfo SWA hater list?

Can I get SWA F/O banned for coming across like Jeff Spicoli?

 

[SWA/FO]

Can I get SWA F/O banned for coming across like Jeff Spicoli?

No...

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

I like this board for some of the industry news and whats going on within other airlines. You guys arguing on here is like talking in your sleep. It means nothing.

Anyone with over 200 posts on here has a screw loose. Deny it, but you do.

Much less the ones that have over a thousand.

 

[pipejockey]

I request to be put on the "SWA haters list". What would the chances be?

Let me clarify that I hate what SWA stands for, not necessarily ALL the employees who work their like others have accused me of.

But PLEASE put me on the list. I love being on lists because it means I am not a conformist and enjoy "sticking it to the man"!!!

 

[SWA/FO]

Pipejockey welcome to the "list" - I'm sure you're excited. Does this mean you will stop reading Southwest threads? Or does this mean you will participate more? Does this mean you will no longer be jumpseating on us?

Why waste time opening a thread about a company you hate? Did you know, you can re-apply in a year? Good luck with that...

the SWA/FO

imp:

 

[pipejockey]

Does this mean you will stop reading Southwest threads?

No!

Or does this mean you will participate more?

About the same.

Does this mean you will no longer be jumpseating on us?

Don't you worry. I have never jumpseated on SWA. I feel it would be total hypocrisy to accept a free ride from an airline I have nothing nice to say about. But don't let that stop you from jumseating with me at any airline I happen to be with in the future. Just don't show up with torn jeans, a t-shirt, and rap music blaring from your Ipod that I read another SWA pilot did in another thread.

Why waste time opening a thread about a company you hate?

Because then you would have one less person to spar with. Until next time:beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

I request to be put on the "SWA haters list". What would the chances be?

Let me clarify that I hate what SWA stands for, not necessarily ALL the employees who work their like others have accused me of.

But PLEASE put me on the list. I love being on lists because it means I am not a conformist and enjoy "sticking it to the man"!!!

What? That's anti-american! SWA stands for liberating the traveling public from high fares! SWA stands for friendly smiles and caring service. SWA stands for on time arrivals and smooth rides.

But most of all SWA stands for........ AMERICA!

Amen,
Gup

 

[DougsRule]

The rumbling I hear from SWAPA members is the flying that is done by the code share, that we could be doing ourselves. When we hear talk of SWA not going after additional aircraft, and the growth of this code share, yes we get a little nervous. SWA was supposed to hammer out a Side Letter on Scope in December, we are still waiting.

Now I know the industry is changing when SWA guys are talking...shoud I say it...a Scope Clause!!!

 

[Reebo]

What? That's anti-american! SWA stands for liberating the traveling public from high fares! SWA stands for friendly smiles and caring service. SWA stands for on time arrivals and smooth rides.

But most of all SWA stands for........ AMERICA!

Amen,
Gup

So True! WN is a well run lean machine. They price their product to their costs, which saves customers money.

Many legacy carriers offer "low fares" just to keep market share even though they will lose money.

WN only enters markets where they can make a "profit". They also pay their employees well. I don't understand why people get so angry at WN. It's not like they are "bottom feeders". They are just very efficient.

Bottom line is that we as pilots are at the mercy of our management teams. WN just happends to have one of the best.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Anyone with over 200 posts on here has a screw loose. Deny it, but you do.

.

ROTFLMAO!

If you have over 1000, you are a loser! Or as SWAHOMO (who has me beat by over 400) would say, a dumba$$.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Have you read what your fellow Cargo pilots post? Read a little then come back and let us know if you feel the same way about them.

Buddy, I don't discriminate.....I think anyone that thinks their airline is infallable is crazy, so there.

 

[SWA/FO]

If you have over 1000, you are a loser!

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[SWA/FO]

Its been a couple of days....Mega...you have no comeback? BUMP it up!!!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't drink before you post.uke:

Trying taking your own abvice


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Please tell me you're not serious! You're not at the "top of the heap" as you say, because your pilot group raised the bar. You are there because everyone else bar came crashing down to compete with the likes of the red bellied war machines, which is quite fitting because it seems they have indeed declared war on what WERE the best airlines to work for. You don't set the bar by bringing others down below you. You set the bar by RAISING it above what the best had, and you sir, are no where near what the best had 5 years ago. So to answer your question....You're dragging the industry down.

Now don't you go confusin' those ego-driven "sum-sa-britchas" with the facts now,young fella'...... !!


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Now I know the industry is changing when SWA guys are talking...shoud I say it...a Scope Clause!!!

Like that got you guys anywhere.....



PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

As soon as you can find where I made that quote, I will. I don't see ATA taking any of SWA's flying that we currently do. I am worried about possible whipsawing, like Pickle stated, being injected into either pilot group. Your ability to "read" into what I was posting is what prompted me to comment on your drinking. Or is it Southwest that you don't care for, so you take any chance to take some jabs. If so, please get that cleared by Mugs, and that other guy who quit SWA to go to AA, oh yea Big Slick. They seem to have the corner on the anti-SWA banter. And where is it that you work?

Just curious..... If your management team is as "pro employee" as you guys claim they are, then why in the world would you worry about "Herb" and the boys whipsawing one pilot group against the other???


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Really? Heck I've peaked in on this board since 1997. I have to say that of all the responses I have seen, the one I got when I evidently ticked off one of your "SWAPA Bro's" took the cake. That of course was being informed that I had been "reported" to the guy keeping "the list" of "SWA haters" and would be added to that list. Unbelievable. The thought of one of you guys furiously entering screen names to "the list" after an evening on Flightinfo is just hilarious. Unfortunately in your world, taking the opposite side of an argument involving SWA makes you a "hater." Between that and "the list", it is very cult-like behavior.

SWA and "cult-like behavior." That's an interesting concept. Care to expand on it a bit?

PHXFLYR

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Really? Heck I've peaked in on this board since 1997. I have to say that of all the responses I have seen, the one I got when I evidently ticked off one of your "SWAPA Bro's" took the cake. That of course was being informed that I had been "reported" to the guy keeping "the list" of "SWA haters" and would be added to that list. Unbelievable. The thought of one of you guys furiously entering screen names to "the list" after an evening on Flightinfo is just hilarious. Unfortunately in your world, taking the opposite side of an argument involving SWA makes you a "hater." Between that and "the list", it is very cult-like behavior.

Besides your paranoid status....We aren't all out to "get you". I love it when someone teaches me new things.

Taking the opposite side of an argument does not make you a hater. Not as far as I'm concerned. It only makes you look needlessly argumentative when you don't point out anything valid.

There was a guy in my C-130 unit like that. No matter what the conversation he would take the other side. We would set him up and see how long it would take him to argue. Guess he just loved the controversy.

 

[canyonblue]

Just curious..... If your management team is as "pro employee" as you guys claim they are, then why in the world would you worry about "Herb" and the boys whipsawing one pilot group against the other???


PHXFLYR

SWAPA isn't there to protect us from the company, it's there to protect us from each other.

 

[canyonblue]

Now don't you go confusin' those ego-driven "sum-sa-britches" with the facts now,young fella'...... !!


PHXFLYR

SWA NEVER raised the bar in this industry, we just kept going along and everyone else fell below us. That is a fact, and I don't know of anyone who would refute that. But also with that being said, I don't know of any pilot group who refused to lower theirs and walked. You can continue to be like the mindless others who belong to a different cult, the I love Management Cult. They are the ones who keep listening to their leaders tell them how they must come down to Southwests pay, in order to compete. They are very good at deflecting blame away, and giving you an Axis of Evil from which to hate. I bet they are all just having a good laugh at your expense. Enjoy your autographed photo of Parker, he'd want it that way.

 

[SWA/FO]

PHX Flyer - whats up with the multiple posts? You still sad about the PHX Suns?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Been away from the webboard for a few days( which isn't a bad thing..... ) and just trying to catch up. As far as the Suns go, I haven't been a fan since you guys became their "official" Airline


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

SWA NEVER raised the bar in this industry, we just kept going along and everyone else fell below us. That is a fact, and I don't know of anyone who would refute that. But also with that being said, I don't know of any pilot group who refused to lower theirs and walked. You can continue to be like the mindless others who belong to a different cult, the I love Management Cult. They are the ones who keep listening to their leaders tell them how they must come down to Southwests pay, in order to compete. They are very good at deflecting blame away, and giving you an Axis of Evil from which to hate. I bet they are all just having a good laugh at your expense. Enjoy your autographed photo of Parker, he'd want it that way.

And there we have it boys and girls, right out of the mouth of Flightinfo's
very own "Canyonblue" and I quote: "SWA NEVER raised the bar in this industry" Kinda speaks volumes,doesn't it? Enjoy the "Herb" blow-up doll, Canyon........

PHXFLYR