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[Scoot 11]

Awesome post Bubba. And your exactly right on all the points that you made.

I wish it was gone, but it's not MY requirement. It's laughable that PCL said we should use negotiation capital to make it go away. That might be the second dumbest thing he's ever said. He's on a real roll recently. And no, not dinner roll...but I could be wrong there too.

That's usually where they put pork!
It's looking more and more like genital is getting his bad info from PFT 128!
But at least PFT 128 is a pilot, and not a Skywest dispatcher.

 

[waveflyer]

I actually disagree.

Artificial impediments to competition for pilot labor give leverage to management in bad times.

Look at this lost decade-

Why did pilots accept, however begrudgingly, the massive cuts in pay and QOL?

If you felt you were on a sinking ship at united, could you leave?
It's already a huge seniority loss-
Combine that with poverty wages and pilots have to- they'd do anything to keep from starting over-
Make first year pay an adult wage representative of what that pilot is doing and one could actually introduce some competition for pilots-
And give pilots a LOT more room to make a stand when we need to.
Besides, no pilot showing up at any major isn't worth $100k from day one.
None.

The type, I don't begrudge- it was an easy business decision for me too- but I would like to see it gone -

 

[General Lee]

Good God, General, were you drunk when you posted this rambling, incoherent excuse for a reply? You didn't actually address anything that has to do with my post.

Yes, you're correct in that there's no guarantee that you'll get hired by Southwest if you buy a type rating. True enough. But there's also no guarantee that you'll get hired by Delta if you buy an ATP rating (not to mention a college degree), now is there? You obtain the minimum requirements for whatever airline you want to apply to, and take your chances in an interview.

And I have no idea "what to tell an unsuccessful applicant"; I'm not an interviewer. However, lots of guys have interviewed at more than one airline, not got hired at one (including Southwest), but later hired at another. Do you really think that airline hiring boards/interviewers really don't know that their applicants interview at numerous airlines in addition to their own? Trust me, they're not as dumb as you.

So, is that really what you're going to use as a PFT argument now? You're slipping, General.

Bubba

You asked for an additional argument, and I gave you one. An ADDITIONAL problem with your PFT is what happens IF someone is turned down. Questions will arise in any interview as to why the person has an unused 737 type. You know that would come up. Just try to say that isn't a consequence.

You're welcome, and I'm correct, again.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JT12345]

General,

You can say the same thing when a swa pilot shows up for a Delta interview in general. Many HR reps would have a problem with that. Leaving a great company for another fair weather fan type stuff.


Btw General....

What is your credit cap overthere and average credit per month? They get that socialist crap outta your contract yet?

 

[SWA Bubba]

You asked for an additional argument, and I gave you one. An ADDITIONAL problem with your PFT is what happens IF someone is turned down. Questions will arise in any interview as to why the person has an unused 737 type. You know that would come up. Just try to say that isn't a consequence.

You're welcome, and I'm correct, again.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Just as I thought... drunk as usual.

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

An additional problem?

Unbelievably weak General, like most of your post though...

 

[SWA Bubba]

I actually disagree.

Artificial impediments to competition for pilot labor give leverage to management in bad times.

Look at this lost decade-

Why did pilots accept, however begrudgingly, the massive cuts in pay and QOL?

If you felt you were on a sinking ship at united, could you leave?
It's already a huge seniority loss-
Combine that with poverty wages and pilots have to- they'd do anything to keep from starting over-
Make first year pay an adult wage representative of what that pilot is doing and one could actually introduce some competition for pilots-
And give pilots a LOT more room to make a stand when we need to.
Besides, no pilot showing up at any major isn't worth $100k from day one.
None.

The type, I don't begrudge- it was an easy business decision for me too- but I would like to see it gone -

Sorry, Wave, but I'm not sure I understand what exactly you disagree with. Your ensuing discussion didn't seem to bear direct relation to anything discussed previously in this thread.

Which assertion(s) were you disagreeing with?
- that a requiring a type rating is not "PFT" anymore than requiring an ATP is?
- that SWA pilots also wish it wasn't a hiring minimums requirement?
- that the General has pathological issues, and the inability to actually respond directly to anybody or to anything specifically?
- that PCL_128 has a long and storied history of being extremely wrong?
- that SWAPA should not (and cannot within its legal responsibilities) spend union capital or money advocating for non-members; that is, negotiating to have SWA remove the type rating requirement for prospecttive applicants?

I know that in the past you have advocated for some sort of national pilot list, so that pilots could go from one company to another without starting over. However, I'm not sure how that relates to the things we were recently discussing, or how if any of it was different, it would change anything or advance your cause.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

You asked for an additional argument, and I gave you one. An ADDITIONAL problem with your PFT is what happens IF someone is turned down. Questions will arise in any interview as to why the person has an unused 737 type. You know that would come up. Just try to say that isn't a consequence.

You're welcome, and I'm correct, again.



Bye Bye---General Lee

If this ^^^ trips you up in an interview-

You weren't going to get the job for another half dozen reasons either
Honestly one of the easiest answers ever will cover that genuinely.

 

[General Lee]

General,

You can say the same thing when a swa pilot shows up for a Delta interview in general. Many HR reps would have a problem with that. Leaving a great company for another fair weather fan type stuff.


Btw General....

What is your credit cap overthere and average credit per month? They get that socialist crap outta your contract yet?

Credit cap? The only limit on flying is the FAR 117 limit of 100 hours in 28 days. Some INTL guys gather trips with "credit time" built in and that enables them to pick up extra small trips to add to their monthly average.

Most lines have 75-85 hours, although the ALV (average line value) changes depending on month of the year (busy Summer, slower Fall, etc). You can pick up 15 hours above ALV, or pick up on pilot swap board up to 100 hours in 28 days, with 1000 hours still a cap per year. Plenty of greenslips in the Summer, not so much in the Fall so far. And, Reserves also finally get "line holder" credit for trips, not fewer hours. That's gone on forever, now changed.

With all of retirements and training going on (85 newhires a month through next April), plenty of trips available if someone wants them.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[slaquer5]

Just as I thought... drunk as usual.

Bubba

Good way to start the weekend.

 

[General Lee]

If this ^^^ trips you up in an interview-

You weren't going to get the job for another half dozen reasons either
Honestly one of the easiest answers ever will cover that genuinely.

It's just something ELSE someone would have to explain IF the SWA interview didn't go well. That's an additional burden, and you know it would be asked. Someone could try to explain it, but more questions could arise most likely.

You have to admit that could be true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JT12345]

737 type is a lot cheaper than airbus 15k vs. 4k. Lots of 737s in Asia and Middle East. Really if Delta HR reps are worried about someone leaving for SWA?

As for previous interview history you have got to be kidding. That is reaching for a Hr rep and why would they ask or care. It is something there is not record of either.

Would you really divulge your interview history to a HR rep you probably are too stupid anyway.

 

[waveflyer]

None of those things bubba- I was talking about you not wanting Swapa to spend negotiating capital.
I think they ought to at least take a position on it- put out some polls and see where the pilot group stands

 

[waveflyer]

It's just something ELSE someone would have to explain IF the SWA interview didn't go well. That's an additional burden, and you know it would be asked. Someone could try to explain it, but more questions could arise most likely.

You have to admit that could be true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Sure it would-
And again, if that softball trips you up I can guarantee that that the applicant whiffed on a half dozen others-
And then they will blame it on the type and rumors will abound....bc of course it could never be an applicant's lack of preparation, right?

This is why pilots here don't think you're an actual pilot-
You sound like such an amateur on this and so many posts

 

[outerfix]

You guys should get a room. This site is completely void of any useful information. The thread should be renamed "my dick is bigger then yours" so the rest of us don't waste our time reading this crap.