Southwest Upgrade

[Roomwithaview]

Red

said it did so because it wanted to be able to exert influence in how the change was made.

That still makes me laugh to this day. Just what great benefit did we get in the way ALPA exerted its influence in the implementation of the bill?

:bomb:

 

[Full of LUV]

That still makes me laugh to this day. Just what great benefit did we get in the way ALPA exerted its influence in the implementation of the bill?

:bomb:

Oh the leadership at ALPA and all the unions involved wanted to make sure THEY received the maximum gain, so they wanted to make sure if you were one day over 60, don't come back and take my seat. If the union was really in it for ALL pilots they would have lobbied to make the switch from 60 to 65 over a 10 year phase in so no one yeargroup would have had the extreme windfall, but alas those with the power take care of themselves......

 

[RJ Bum]

https://www.swajobs.com/ci20/index....CI&locale=en_US&seq=jobBid&postingId=42329923

Way ahead of you bro
:beer:

 

[Roomwithaview]

Bingo!

If the union was really in it for ALL pilots they would have lobbied to make the switch from 60 to 65 over a 10 year phase in so no one yeargroup would have had the extreme windfall, but alas those with the power take care of themselves......

Nice work Alpa!

 

[ATRCAPT]

Well, it wasn't.

Paul Emens and company got nowhere on the hill in spite of many years of trying.

This is true yet all the old farts around here refer to him as "Saint Paul". Makes me (and every other pilot he screwed) want to puke. Personally, I wouldn't cross the street to pi$$ on him if he was on fire. Well....maybe if I could pi$$ gasoline...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It is ironic though when I hear a Delta pilot mention how cocky and arrogant SWA pilots are...that's like a hooker calling a stripper a W#@$%. Delta invented arrogance, double-brested jacket and all.

I think it's more ironic when some sw fng thinks that they invented the "top industry pay." When you were handing out favors to pay for your type rating, southwest was at or near the bottom of the pay scales in the industry.

 

[SWA/CA]

I think it's more ironic when some sw fng thinks that they invented the "top industry pay." When you were handing out favors to pay for your type rating, southwest was at or near the bottom of the pay scales in the industry.

At least we "scoped out RJs"

 

[redflyer65]

At least we "scoped out RJs"

Ouch. The truth hurts sometimes.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

At least we "scoped out RJs"

Congrats on that.
You also scoped out pay, benefits, retirement, age 60.......
Oh and let's not forget about that whole pft thingy......

 

[OurMoney1]

what everyone has to realize with upgrades is that when (not if) southwest goes full international with it's first wide body, the upgrades will drop to 5-7 years for everyone on the current list. Including all the airtran guys.

It's the equivelant of looking at delta in the early days before they went to europe. The growth potential is off the map.

Southwest will already have 3200+ flights a day feeding a new international network. It's the best domestic to international feed in the nation, easily.

I think all the junior sw/aai guys are in for a wild ride.

pass the pipe you red belly hog!!!!!

 

[redflyer65]

Hey, I'm happy just doing domestic as long as we continue to have year over year profits like the last 39.

Just like everyone else over the years, you can doubt SW will do this or that, but I'd say Dallas has a full plan for international departures in the future. The timeframe? I have no idea. I see them looking to get past the AAI acquisition and possibly past the Wright Amendment restrictions first.

 

[Flopgut]

I think a lot of the old guys who didn't care that this was a stunt and a windfall, thought the industry woiuld be better off by now and the change effects wouldn't be this bad. Now that the opposite is true, and we still have a poor economy and are now dealing with mergers, is there any acknowledgement from SWAPA that this age change has created an unintended reality for junior members? As an ALPA member I can tell you this: if anything, the senior types care even less and are even more emboldened to pull the ladder up again. ALPA National looks less and less like a union every month. What's up with SWAPA on the issue?

 

[vetrider]

Just a little perspective.

My old man got hired by Pan Am in '66, and if you told him he'd retire in '96 from Delta (which he did), he'd have laughed you out of the room, since Delta was little more than a regional at the time.

When the Pan Am guys went over to Delta in '91, they were underwhelmed with the way Delta ran the international ops, since Delta was still relatively new at it and most of those guys had 25-30+ years experience doing nothing but international.

The bottom line is that you never know what's gonna happen in this industry. We might be going to CLE in 20 years, we might be going to Narita, or we might be out of business. Who knows. I just hope we last another 19.

Oh, and don't blame age 65 on us either. It took ALPA to make it change. Our guys had as much effect as Don Quixote had on his windmills for the 20 years or so they wasted our union dues trying to change it.

Did your dad write the book 'Sky Gods' by chance?

 

[Tripower455]

Did your dad write the book 'Sky Gods' by chance?

No. But it's a pretty close account of a Pan Am career from his perspective. I don't think the author went to Delta, but I could be wrong.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No. But it's a pretty close account of a Pan Am career from his perspective. I don't think the author went to Delta, but I could be wrong.

The author went to Delta with the Airbuses.