Southwest Upgrade

[redflyer65]

Thanks for wishing me well. If Delta bought Virgin America, then an arbitrator would decide where to put people. I don't think the top Virgin America pilot, with 6 years longevity, would be placed near the top of the Delta list. Neither would the top Airtran guy at the Southwest list. But Southwest people don't see any value in Airtran, and that makes a lot of people on here ticked. Your egos are melting your brains. Each time I see that type of attitude, I will respond. Something that is tough for you to understand is that some Airtran guys will be placed ahead and behind you, and that is unbearable for you think about. It makes you scared and upset. So what do you do? You lash out at people who will not make the decision, and that will hurt your future relationships with people that will work right along side of you. I am not trying to slam you, rather I am trying to warn you to bring it down a level or two, since your future Captain may be on "the other side" reading this right now.


OYS

It's gonna turn out how it turns out. What do you care?

I think your double breast riverboat jacket is too tight.

 

[Dan Roman]

Anyone know an easy way to put an entire airline on your ignore list?

Seriously....Delta dudes....what is your major malfunction? Why are you so over-represented in the SWA-hater ranks? I don't see the same level of animosity coming from any other airline. Are you so unhappy with your lot in life that you feel the need to put others down in some misguided attempt to boost yourselves up?

Why not just get it all out there: unfiltered, no more passive-aggressive dancing around the real issues. Let's hear your beefs. This is an anonymous forum, after all. You may actually find it to be quite therapeutic.

I'm not Delta and I think SWA seems like a great airline in many ways. Same can be said about many other airlines. I think what is happening is a lot of SWA posters are coming across as "my airline is wonderful, yours sucks". Also a lot of "SWAPA rules ALPA sucks" Which of course invites retaliation. As does going around saying you are going to kick everyone's ass, we are going to rule the world etc etc

SWA is good at what they do, but they certainly are not the end all, be all of the airline industry. There sure seems to be a lot of SWA folks trying to justify "we are just as good as you!" on here.

 

[Whine Lover]

SWA just announced this a.m. they are going to cut growth this year to counter fuel prices.

Continue...

YKW

 

[Dan Roman]

It's gonna turn out how it turns out. What do you care?

I think your double breast riverboat jacket is too tight.

I think he made a very reasonable reply and you responded with a somewhat childish insult. I've seen SWA guys get on here and say if your not SWA or AT this merger is not your business. Hello, anybody at any airline can be affected by a merger and the dynamics of what happens at any merger is everyone's business. Besides, this is not a private SWA/AT board, pretty arrogant if you think you deserve other people to but out on here.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I liked it better when OY6 was out of work. Seen but not heard.

How would you feel if Delta was buying Virgin and they were typing the same nonsense you see here from tranny's boyz? My guess is you would respond at some point. I mean, heck you respond to something - that is none of your business now.

Airtran brings more to the table....this ain't like Virgin and Delta....just because you are bigger, doesn't mean you don't still operate in the stone age....The only international you guys know is when you talk to Toronto center flying into Buffalo.....get over yourselves

Herb central time indeed!!

 

[SWA/FO]

But Southwest people don't see any value in Airtran, and that makes a lot of people on here ticked.

Tranny guys question their WINDFALL..... that makes A LOT of Southwest guys mad.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Windfall????

Are they Bankrupt? Don't they have greater career ability....instead of flying to 69 cities here in the US? Planes with RAFTS? A pilot group familiar with VNAV and Autothrottles? Good luck running with your windfall into the arbitrator....

 

[redflyer65]

I think he made a very reasonable reply and you responded with a somewhat childish insult. I've seen SWA guys get on here and say if your not SWA or AT this merger is not your business. Hello, anybody at any airline can be affected by a merger and the dynamics of what happens at any merger is everyone's business. Besides, this is not a private SWA/AT board, pretty arrogant if you think you deserve other people to but out on here.

Dan,

Your defending OYS? Wow. You gotta do what you gotta do I guess. The post you had just prior to that was pretty good, this one is a 180.

 

[redflyer65]

Windfall????

Are they Bankrupt? Don't they have greater career ability....instead of flying to 69 cities here in the US? Planes with RAFTS? A pilot group familiar with VNAV and Autothrottles? Good luck running with your windfall into the arbitrator....

Bill,

It's similiar to Delta buying Virgin and them wanting realitive seniority, with the massive gains that they would receive with the DL pilot contract.

But their company would bring so many great things to the table...

Makes no sense, sorry. The arbitor will see it all for what it is.

 

[SWA/FO]

put down the crack pipe....

Good luck running with your windfall into the arbitrator....

Can't wait. Any NORMAL person can SEE it.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Oys

Are you really comparing the World's busiest airport and the main airline there that owns 70 percent of the gates and flying to TWA in STL and USAir in BWI? TWA was dying when AA bought it and took over STL, and really never added anything to it. USAir had Metrojet based there in BWI, and that was on a dying airplane (737-200), and no other real movement or transcons. SWA built up BWI because at the time they couldn't get into DCA, and there wasn't a lot of room at IAD. Actually, your gameplan has always been avoiding larger airports and building up smaller ones like MDW, OAK, etc, and that has always been successful, so far. But now, you are trying to invade larger fortress hubs, like DEN (that had two weak airlines but now has a stronger UAL with more cash to fight) and now ATL via Airtran. Changing your businessplan is always risky, and time will tell if it will work. I can't wait to see your eventual international plans and Hawaii plans, which will really expose you to even more risky flying. But, if anyone can do it, it will be SWA and that famous culture that we all hear about but never seem to see. Your plans to become the next People's Express are coming to fruition as we speak. Good luck with that.

You are beyond hilarious. Nothing you post is even remotely based in fact. But, you think you're dialed in with the industry. You are really wasting your time as an fo slinging gear for DAL, you need to hookup with the UAL Scab Von Cordle and peddle your wears as an airline analyst. Somebody would pay good money for crap like that.

Remember Delta Shuttle?
Remeber Song?
Remember the A fund?
Remember the smokin' hot contract of 2000?
Remember when DAL was upgrading in 13 months?

You paint a picture like it's 1999. How did all that work out for DAL? UAL? NWA? USAir? AMR? . I had friends at OAL's that were cocky and obnoxious just like you who thought we were all fools for hanging our hats at dumb lil ole Southworst Trailways. That is until I upgraded and they were either furloughed or sitting reserve. Then the somber musings were so embarrassing to watch I would intentionally play off how great life at SWA is and how remarkably well things worked out. But, I won't tempt the gods of faith. It's better to be lucky than good. And, it's all about luck.

All you've got is your mouth and your lip service. You can't back it up with YEARS of success, your paycheck, your schedule, your net worth.

I can. Sorry that hurts you so much. It's obvious your career plan failed you miserably. Take solace in the fact you are not alone. Now your only satisfaction in life is to try and make yourself feel better by trolling flight info to hijack as many SWA threads as you can with baseless information about how great you want us to believe DAL is and how $hitty YOU KNOW SWA is. I'm sure you were saying the same thing about UAL when you were there.

DAL was a once great airline but they've got a long way to go to get back to the top and they're going to have to do it with the ever present threat of RJ's surrounding them everywhere like hornets from a nest. The DAL pilots let that genie out of the bottle. Good luck getting it back in.

SWA pilots were smart enough to keep the RJ's and codeshare at bay, even if it cost us money upfront. Just one more example of the intelligent negotiating skills of our stupid little podunk, non-national union.

SWA has a history of success and a history of sharing that success with it's employees. Complete with 39 straight years of profit, and never having furloughed. All the frustrated legacy pilot arrogance in the world, ain't going to change that.

So, you and Gen Lee keep posting your crap. I've seen and heard it before. You can write it as many times as you want. It's not going to change the facts. You made poor career choices, or your were unlucky in your decisions and now you are where you are and you are at the mercy of the seniority system to change your lot in life. Welcome to the bigs rookie.

Maybe someone will buy you and you can fight with every penny ALPA has for a favorable integration and maybe you can steal a captain seat that way. If not, you can always de-certify ALPA, start your own in house union, and refute the award from the arbitrator, even though you like to crow about "binding arbitration" being the end all be all! That;s working out well isn't it?

 

[redflyer65]

Owned!

 

[strobzz]

So is it really something like 19 years for the new guys?

Can`t any of you get over yourselves and just take a guess at answering the guys question!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

put down the crack pipe....



Can't wait. Any NORMAL person can SEE it.

Normal, you? After what you want your jumpseaters to do for a ride?:blush:
Guess that's why you won't be deciding then, eh sport?

 

[GuppyWN]

Can`t any of you get over yourselves and just take a guess at answering the guys question!

The new guys, if Airtran comes over, will be about #8000. With roughly 150 upgrades a year and no growth you're looking at at 26 year upgrade.

The wild card that WILL SHORTEN YOUR UPGRADE is growth. Nobody knows so even guessing is impossible.

Gup