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Pretty tragic that an airline in this day and age does not have adequate manuals for the aircraft that they operate. Please don't start on the (pilots come with a type) argument because that is a piss poor excuse at best. If you are coming from the FAT side download the 737 manual to a flash drive. It provide much better information in one location. The SW manuals are poorly constructed and you will be switching between multiple manuals to find the information that you are looking for. The training department does a good job and the training devices are excellent. With the ramp up in training you will be hard pressed to find time to get into them because of the priority when signing up for some time. Couple that with the poor shuttle service from the hotel that the FAT pilots are being billeted at and you will be forced to pay for a cab to get some time in the box late at night or early in the morning. Best of luck and enjoy it.
 
So...the Bulfer stuff is cockpit companion? Your link is for the combo one, do you mean the Southwest version they have? It sounds like I should drive out there..... just 12 hours:)
 
Just thinking said:
Pretty tragic that an airline in this day and age does not have adequate manuals for the aircraft that they operate. Please don't start on the (pilots come with a type) argument because that is a piss poor excuse at best. If you are coming from the FAT side download the 737 manual to a flash drive. It provide much better information in one location. The SW manuals are poorly constructed and you will be switching between multiple manuals to find the information that you are looking for. The training department does a good job and the training devices are excellent. With the ramp up in training you will be hard pressed to find time to get into them because of the priority when signing up for some time. Couple that with the poor shuttle service from the hotel that the FAT pilots are being billeted at and you will be forced to pay for a cab to get some time in the box late at night or early in the morning. Best of luck and enjoy it.
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What hotel are you refering to? Stayed at the Wyndham in Nov and saw heaps of Air Tran there. Worst case scenario is a 30 min wait. And I emphasize worst case. :confused:
 
FYI: Bill Bulfer (the 737 book guy) is a CO scab.

Just in case anyone besides me still cares about that kind of thing.
 
I'm assuming he was talking about a 3rd hotel downtown that is being used to board people during training. I was in DAL last week for a PT and saw a whole class of AirTran transitions staying at the Wyndham. Plus 2 new hire classes. PC, PT's and upgrades seem to be spit between Wyndham and Renaissance. Luck of the draw I guess, although I believe classes are kept together.
 
I just finished the type rating at SWA training in November.

- get the Bulfer book. SWA training is not set up for type rating people. The training center broad brushes the systems. A lot of study on your own.

- the people at the training center are super and will work with you on anything.

- my leather jacket has been on order for three months. The sales person that shows up at the training center will not return emails or calls. I have to call the company directly and cajole them for information. I wear a black north face soft shell in the mean time.

- stay at the Wyndham. Free happy hour. Easy ride to the center. I did bring my car down though. Worth it.
 
Ugh. I'm typed in the 737 but haven't flown it since 2002 and that was an AQP type. Got around 1000 hours in it, but have flown 5 types since. I don't remember a darned thing about the 737. How thorough is the oral?
 
tankerhead said:
Insightful, yet concise. Teach us more! (on)
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Waaaa
Wa, wuh...WAAAAAAH


That better-?


Look for the bad and you'll find it

Of all the things I could give a f^ck less about, it's construction of a manual during 5 major changes of an operation.
 
Furloughed again:
I thought it was tough. I felt ready, because I sweated the details. It lasted about 2:15. Start at the top of the cockpit, point to a box and start talking. I would start a little ahead of time. The problem is you are also learning new call outs and profiles at the same time.
 
c9skytrain said:
Furloughed again:
I thought it was tough. I felt ready, because I sweated the details. It lasted about 2:15. Start at the top of the cockpit, point to a box and start talking. I would start a little ahead of time. The problem is you are also learning new call outs and profiles at the same time.
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You got screwed. I think about 1 in 10 get the captain upgrade oral, while the rest cover the minimum to call it an oral. I agree about the profiles and call outs. I found those to be the hardest to learn, having another airlines 737 call outs competing for the same memory space.
 
I'm all for switching to hand signals with no callouts.

Nice and quiet.


PS- Humvee is right, you got screwed. I've never seen anything that difficult here. Cooperate, graduate.
 
Did you guys not get the memo waayy back in flight school?
A professional pilot flies the airplane how their company wants tem to fly it.

I'm sure you were real receptive to a united furlough who wanted to tell you at air tran how to do things, right?

Every airline- and I mean every one- has some goofy procedures - most of it is just FAA stuff.

It was taught to me in systems class in the mid 90's by a retired TWA pilot- "united, American, delta will all fly the 727 differently, even if they're configured the same way. But you'll be earning a paycheck to fly airplanes, so you'll fly it exactly how they want you to. That's how you earn that check- and that's the difference between pros and everyone else."

Nothing worse than the people who've never worked anywhere else who can't figure out how to adjust.

And I was here for "company procedures approaches"

Complaining about procedures is for amateurs.
 
waveflyer said:
Did you guys not get the memo waayy back in flight school?
A professional pilot flies the airplane how their company wants tem to fly it.

I'm sure you were real receptive to a united furlough who wanted to tell you at air tran how to do things, right?

Every airline- and I mean every one- has some goofy procedures - most of it is just FAA stuff.

It was taught to me in systems class in the mid 90's by a retired TWA pilot- "united, American, delta will all fly the 727 differently, even if they're configured the same way. But you'll be earning a paycheck to fly airplanes, so you'll fly it exactly how they want you to. That's how you earn that check- and that's the difference between pros and everyone else."

Nothing worse than the people who've never worked anywhere else who can't figure out how to adjust.

And I was here for "company procedures approaches"

Complaining about procedures is for amateurs.
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Nice story man. Thanks for sharing.
 

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