Southwest looking to contain costs - article

[madjack]

It's a bummer you fly every flight with a Dbag?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Ty, your orders won't cover the loss of the 717...350-400 AAI pilots will have global seniority to hold CP at SWA post 1/15, that's 60 aircraft worth of CPs...SWA did not need AAI aircraft orders, we are buying used aircraft and the max...again just how it went down....

I hope you're crying on gk's shoulder concerning this, he paid somebody else to take them.

You're absolutely right concerning WN not needing AAI's orders. At the time they'd pretty much saturated the lower 48 and were several if not many years away from leaving the confines of less than 1/4 of this continent.

 

[scoreboardII]

Lets face it, both sides well played by a reborn textbook wielding anti labor accountant.

Unity is what this group needs, not a path toward finding who's sad sack story is better.

 

[PCL_128]

Well said.

 

[madjack]

Well that would be the 1/4 of the continent with $$...stick to flying airplanes

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Well that would be the 1/4 of the continent with $$...

I got it now, thanks for helping me finally figure it out. I are just a dumm pilot. The reason WN doesn't go out of the country is nobody else has any money so no use serving them. Yeah right, keep telling yourself that and vote yes when the company tells you to.

 

[madjack]

Your right, The acquisition of AAI enabled SWA to fly Int'l.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

The acquisition of AAI enabled SWA to fly Int'l. this decade.

Fixed it for you.

Good thing BKG wasn't a border city, you could have been ahead of your time.

 

[waveflyer]

They were all here when the SLI took place. Business decisions that take place post-SLI have nothing to do with it.

Check out PCL
HE KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST THAT WHAT MATTERS IS THE SNAPSHOT
Not when the SLI is being negotiated. But he's smart, I'll give him that and careful with his language (well, outside of the epic "c*m- guzzling") haha

But he makes that incorrect exchange of words bc he wants you to think that the airframes that were on the property in the past matter, but the pay rates and contract they had in place did not.

He argues his self interest

 

[PCL_128]

Check out PCL
HE KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST THAT WHAT MATTERS IS THE SNAPSHOT
Not when the SLI is being negotiated. But he's smart, I'll give him that and careful with his language (well, outside of the epic "c*m- guzzling") haha

But he makes that incorrect exchange of words bc he wants you to think that the airframes that were on the property in the past matter, but the pay rates and contract they had in place did not.

He argues his self interest

Actually, you're correct that it is the snapshot date that matters for the SLI. I wasn't trying to finesse the language, just wasn't being very precise. The reason that the pay rates don't matter is because they are irrelevant to seniority integration, not because of what date a snapshot was taken. They just have nothing to do with SLI. Which is why you were scared to death of arbitration.

 

[redflyer65]

Check out PCL
HE KNOWS BETTER THAN MOST THAT WHAT MATTERS IS THE SNAPSHOT
Not when the SLI is being negotiated. But he's smart, I'll give him that and careful with his language (well, outside of the epic "c*m- guzzling") haha

But he makes that incorrect exchange of words bc he wants you to think that the airframes that were on the property in the past matter, but the pay rates and contract they had in place did not.

He argues his self interest

Thanks for the flashback Wave. That was a little disturbing to say the least.

 

[waveflyer]

Actually, you're correct that it is the snapshot date that matters for the SLI. I wasn't trying to finesse the language, just wasn't being very precise. The reason that the pay rates don't matter is because they are irrelevant to seniority integration, not because of what date a snapshot was taken. They just have nothing to do with SLI. Which is why you were scared to death of arbitration.

So the amount of seats you bring, but didn't bring is irrelevant, but not your pay.

It's not a dis, you just argue your singular self interest

Pilots make most of theirs decisions based on money, but you decide it's irrelevant

 

[tankerhead]

It's better if you necro-quote it. It's easy to find by searching "guzzle".

I'd do it but I'm driving.

 

[dicko]

That was top FO pay by the way.

April 2004. Ten years ago this month:

SWA top Captain pay rate ~ $154.00 an hour.

AirTran top Captain Pay ~ $152.00 an hour.


I love the nouveau riche. Sadly, it's a condition that's often accompanied by brash hubris and solipsism.

 

[dicko]

Pilots make most of theirs decisions based on money,

And more money for an airline pilot comes from where Wave ? ..... Seniority. It insulates you, it keeps you warm at night and it will even protect you when your airline buys another airline.

Tri Power makes a great deal of money, but his seniority protected him from the slap and tickle of this SLI.



P.S. Vegas won

 

[madjack]

Enjoy your raise Luv2b

 

[redflyer65]

April 2004. Ten years ago this month:

SWA top Captain pay rate ~ $154.00 an hour.

AirTran top Captain Pay ~ $152.00 an hour.


I love the nouveau riche. Sadly, it's a condition that's often accompanied by brash hubris and solipsism.

Awesome point Dicko.

It shows how Southwest shared in the wealth and SWAPA was able to secure much, much better payrates while AirTran languished with the bad management team and dysfunctional union. None of that is your fault personally, just the landscape you had deal with at the time. Complete opposite at SW.

 

[waveflyer]

Vegas tends to win dicko

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Enjoy your raise Luv2b

I've already started losing on this side and it will continue until re-upgrade on the other side. I'll enjoy it in 5-6 years when I'll actually get a raise and get off reserve as a CA.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[madjack]

I meant the raise you got after SWA bought you....