Southwest DIA, Frontier>DONE

[ivauir]

Kinda the price you pay when you decimate them on trunck routes that were once profitable enough to support their network so they can provide service to the little guy in Minot. Because in the end, regardless your opinion of network carriers, they actually do care enough to serve everyone.

Skyboss,
we get the picture; you hate SWA. Great for you! Enjoy! I hope it brings your life great joy.

Now that we have estabilsed your place on the list of swa haters (with flopgut, lowcur, furloughfodder and the rest of that merry crowd) can we get a break from the never endig bashing? It is really getting old - and what purpose is it serving?

 

[miles otoole]

Kinda the price you pay when you decimate them on trunck routes that were once profitable enough to support their network so they can provide service to the little guy in Minot. Because in the end, regardless your opinion of network carriers, they actually do care enough to serve everyone.

How many "network" carriers serve ELP? If it's good for the bottom line, then yes. Altruism if it only serves the stock holder. No other reason.

 

[koko nw]

Trash talking before the big game usually gets you b!tch slapped by the coach. They have treated us without any respect, and I pray it comes to haunt them now. :angryfire

Yes wishing for the demise of another one's lively hood show's real class their clown, get over yourself.

SWA's and the VAST MAJORITY of their pilot's and work force are a class act.
Had the pleasure of meeting alot of them while commuting and friends from my past life, but you and SWA/FO have got to be the biggest jerks on this board.

Enjoy your time on "top", your company is a force to be reckon with for sure, and fortunately for you I believe you guy's will continue to prosper.
Most of us less un-worthy are slugging it out day in and day out trying to do what's best for us and our families well being, having a knucklehead like you wishing for the destruction of that is well....tacky.

 

[canyonblue]

Yes wishing for the demise of another one's lively hood show's real class their clown, get over yourself.

SWA's and the VAST MAJORITY of their pilot's and work force are a class act.
Had the pleasure of meeting alot of them while commuting and friends from my past life, but you and SWA/FO have got to be the biggest jerks on this board.

Enjoy your time on "top", your company is a force to be reckon with for sure, and fortunately for you I believe you guy's will continue to prosper.
Most of us less un-worthy are slugging it out day in and day out trying to do what's best for us and our families well being, having a knucklehead like you wishing for the destruction of that is well....tacky.

Yea, go ahead and read into it where I wished for their demise. I said I hope it haunts them, haunts them by their belittling comments at us, coming back to bite them in the a$$, as we hopefully do better than expected in DEN. As usual, spokesmen from other companies make derogatory public comments about SWA and there is nothing wrong with that, after all it's Southwest they are badmouthing. Your obvious support of comments like this, just solidifies to me that you are just another of the SWA haters, what else is new. I'll tell ivauir to add you to the list. Comments like that p!ss me off, and it p!sses me off that a spokesman from a major corporation would say things like that. You wouldn't understand anyway. If you think that many of the SWA pilots on this board are going to sit here, and read crap on this board that people spew at us, and do nothing, then you don't know a thing about Southwest. As far as SWA/FO, I served with SWA/FO. I know SWA/FO. SWA/FO is a friend of mine. Jacka$$, you're no SWA/FO.

 

[USMC319]

As far as SWA/FO, I served with SWA/FO. I know SWA/FO. SWA/FO is a friend of mine. Jacka$$, you're no SWA/FO.

I think most people would take that as a compliment.

 

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[apdsm]

Kinda the price you pay when you decimate them on trunck routes that were once profitable enough to support their network so they can provide service to the little guy in Minot. Because in the end, regardless your opinion of network carriers, they actually do care enough to serve everyone.

OK then, let's talk about decimation of air carriers by the "network" carriers. We can start with Legend and see where it leads from there!

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey, I'm out flying the line, crushing the competition:smash: , holding up the bar on this entire industry imp: , being a HERO and you guys bring me into this :angryfire ?

Have some respect... After all, I am the spirit of Southwest.:beer:
Who are you anyway, KOKO NW? You work for UAL/BK11 or something?

 

[climbhappy]

One stat to consider:

Midway was doing fine in Raleigh until SWA showed up.

The comparison to Frontier might be skewed, but SWA can pound a littler foe into the ground.

 

[Bookingsareup]

"One stat to consider:

Midway was doing fine in Raleigh until SWA showed up.

The comparison to Frontier might be skewed, but SWA can pound a littler foe into the ground."

Not even a close comparison.

 

[Skyboss]

OK then, let's talk about decimation of air carriers by the "network" carriers. We can start with Legend and see where it leads from there!

Sorry man, but legend was flawed to begin with and would have failed anyway.

 

[PCL_128]

One stat to consider:

Midway was doing fine in Raleigh until SWA showed up.

The comparison to Frontier might be skewed, but SWA can pound a littler foe into the ground.

A huge portion of the Midway business plan was focused on an airframe that has an absurd seat-mile cost. Indy Air is the same way. SWA didn't kill Midway. Midway's business model killed them. Frontier doesn't have the same problem.

 

[koko nw]

. As far as SWA/FO, I served with SWA/FO. I know SWA/FO. SWA/FO is a friend of mine. Jacka$$, you're no SWA/FO.

The only thing you and stempy have served in is a circle jerk.

Where in my post did I say or insinuate anything negative about SWA's? If anything I agree that it's a awesome company with great folks working there. My issue is with you jerky. And how by the grace of GOD you passed their filters thereby coloring there presence here on this board with those remarks you made about your competition.

Most people just put B-737 in their profile...You feel the need to compensate for your lack of _____ by putting B737-700,500,300,200 like it's suppose to impress.


Let me guess short dude, long time almost regional lifer, multiple turn-downs at any major airline during the roaring hiring day's who has a serious inferiority complex who get's lucky getting hired on by SWA's and now feels the need to thump his chest to show what a real pilot he has become. Close? And please spare me the I've researched all the airlines during that time and held out for SWA's speel....Your not that smart.

I'm done with you, you can have the final word there F.L.A.P.

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey kernel,

So let’s get this straight….you have issue with canyon’s profile because it lists the greatest plane ever made. (the B737). But simultaneously you feel that you have to list every military turbo-prop trainer you ever flew? That would be the equivalent of me listing every Cessna model I ever flew.

Most of us at Southwest never wanted to work here and never applied! They just called us right out of the blue. It’s like the NFL draft… I’m hopeful when your airline makes it through this rough time and starts hiring off the street in 2020, I’ll be ready. Since, you work for a real airline and it is my dream.

I’m just thankful I didn’t let all those guys in my “unit” talk me into following them to those hub and spoke outfits. Just because you made a bad decision doesn’t mean all the SOUTHWEST dudes are bad for making the right decision.

My guess is that you never made it through the process at Southwest or you don’t even meet the minimums? Nothing, like being an FO for 20 years.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Chill man, Southwest is going to get smoked in Denver.

No rhetoric or kool aid drinking.....You could not be more wrong.

The ATA code share traffic was very good. Denver is a big market and Frontier's costs are not low enough to keep all their passengers. UAL is still struggling with the low cost thing. If you choose to compare CASMs make sure you adjust them for stage length.

Not to mention this is a great time to be growing. The economy is humming and fare increases are sticking. There is actually enough room for all three to do well for awhile. So I am not predicting anyone's doom.

 

[canyonblue]

I'm done with you, you can have the final word there F.L.A.P.

Let me guess short dude, 5'2" long time almost regional lifer, 17 years:crying: multiple turn-downs at any major airline during the roaring hiring day's turned down by 22 airlines including Aeroflot:smash: who has a serious inferiority complex You talking to me? who get's lucky getting hired on by SWA's and now feels the need to thump his chest to show what a real pilot he has become.
Proud to be a FLAP. :beer: :beer:

 

[climbhappy]

Quote by PCL_128: midway's business plan killed them....Indy air.....


yes, I agree, clearly indy air with the 30/barrel assumption. MBA students do better than that with their class projects.

The economic downturn showed Midway's vulnerability.

I hear Frontier is cash poor and can't bear a price war..... Does that show any problems with their plan.? Or is it just oil and too few aircraft to spread out those costs?

 

[jetalc]

Let me guess short dude, 5'2" long time almost regional lifer, 17 years:crying: multiple turn-downs at any major airline during the roaring hiring day's turned down by 22 airlines including Aeroflot:smash: who has a serious inferiority complex You talking to me? who get's lucky getting hired on by SWA's and now feels the need to thump his chest to show what a real pilot he has become.
Proud to be a FLAP. :beer: :beer:

Too many icons...too many colors...too much motion...not much substance...must...get...some...aspirin...

 

[USMC319]

I hear Frontier is cash poor and can't bear a price war.....

You heard wrong. Frontier has one of the strongest balance sheets in the industry, relatively speaking. For a little 49 airplane airline they are doing just fine, however, any airline could use more cash and would prefer not to engage in a price war.

 

[TOGA]

FlyBoeingJets -

I've just accepted a job at F9, and one of the things I liked about them was their CASM as it compares to SWA. In fact, that's one specific reason I feel OK about resigning my seniority with 2000 pilots under me. So, your comment about their CASM piqued my curiosity. Please don't think I'm being a smartass by asking this (quite the opposite, I assure you), but how would you 'adjust CASM for stage length'? Doesn't "Cost per Available Seat Mile" already specifically accomplish that 'adjustment'? F9's CASM is lower, until (of course) you add in SWA's fuel hedging program.