Southwest Airlines pilot union activates its strike preparedness committee

[Tripower455]

Agreed. The reason being, 99% on both sides are professionals. I've only met 1 so far I'd prefer not to fly with. I suspect him to be a serial poster but I don't really care. So be it. But to be realistic, and as Dicko pointed out retro-pay won't really affect 1700 of us, so it's not a deal breaker. 1700 disaffected pilots plus a sizeable group of koolaid drinkers=51% easily. Let's vote and get it over with

Sadly, you're correct! No retro and code share for everyone! It's another win win ( for GK)!

 

[27 driver]

Retro is not a big deal for most FAT guys as we won't really be included in it. Code share, interline, is another story.

 

[freightdogfred]

I say ouch


GK. says 2 thumbs up.

Come on slaquer, you're no spring chikken (like me) It is what it is. The first deal is always the best.

 

[redflyer65]

Come on slaquer, you're no spring chikken (like me) It is what it is. The first deal is always the best.

The first deal would have been the best, if your Merger Committee knew what they were doing.

It was one good bite at the SLI apple. Unfortunately they choked on the worm (to your detriment).

Negotiating a new contract is completely different. And as an old dog, you know that.

Look forward to pulling gear for you Freight.

 

[Tripower455]

I have been treated extremely well by the RSWs I have flown with. They have been extremely welcoming and glad we (Trannys') are on the same team. The information on this board is strictly entertainment not reality.

I agree. In the 3 years or so since the AT folks started coming over, I've flown with more of you than I could count. I guess I've just been lucky, but there isn't an a-hole in the bunch.

The guy I flew with last trip lives about a mile from me too!

 

[canyonblue]

But to be realistic, and as Dicko pointed out retro-pay won't really affect 1700 of us, so it's not a deal breaker.

According to a SWAPA guy in the lounge, retro would be paid to EVERYONE, even all former AAI pilots.

 

[Tripower455]

According to a SWAPA guy in the lounge, retro would be paid to EVERYONE, even all former AAI pilots.

Even to the ones that took a 40% pay cut?

 

[-9Capt]

According to a SWAPA guy in the lounge, retro would be paid to EVERYONE, even all former AAI pilots.

Not that I feel like I deserve retro, but if there's a way to screw over the stepchildren, SWAPA and Gary will find out how.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Not that I feel like I deserve retro, but if there's a way to screw over the stepchildren, SWAPA and Gary will find out how.

Retro is retro. As I understand it, it'll will be paid (as it has before) on all Southwest wages based on rates agreed upon for the individual years in the contract's anniversary since it became amenable. If you came over from the Tran in the last groups, in the last month or two, then your retro won't be all that much, unless this negotiation drags on for much longer. If you came over quickly, then your retro would be years' worth, he just like original SWA guys. Obviously, some former AirTran guys will get more than others, depending on how long they've been on this side of the partition.

-9Capt, there's no way "screw over the stepchildren," as you put it, because all of you are us now. You get whatever we get, based on your Southwest date.

Bubba

 

[freightdogfred]

Moot point....the first deal won't have retro. And it'll pass, for the reasons previously listed.

 

[humveedriver]

The first deal would have been the best, if your Merger Committee knew what they were doing.

It was one good bite at the SLI apple. Unfortunately they choked on the worm (to your detriment).

Negotiating a new contract is completely different. And as an old dog, you know that.

Look forward to pulling gear for you Freight.

? First deal had worse seniority for AT and more stapled. Second deal was better from strict seniority integration. Which is good since GK sold all the 717s! Looking back and now seeing what he did with the evolve interior (143seats) and the -800 it makes sense. How he did it (lies and coercion) is another story.

 

[Tripower455]

Not that I feel like I deserve retro, but if there's a way to screw over the stepchildren, SWAPA and Gary will find out how.

Yup, and we're all step children in that case!

 

[maru657]

Wow, a strike at Southwest? I suspect there's a lot of pilots out there that would cross that picket line in a heartbeat.

 

[freightdogfred]

A strike at Southwest? The word strike is a dirty word. Put it like this-

https://images.search.yahoo.com/ima...p&sigt=11aa3urrp&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

 

[Tripower455]

Wow, a strike at Southwest? I suspect there's a lot of pilots out there that would cross that picket line in a heartbeat.

Yeah, we just inherited a bunch of them with a proven track record......

 

[redflyer65]

Yeah, we just inherited a bunch of them with a proven track record......

Ouch.



















But true.

 

[humveedriver]

Yeah, we just inherited a bunch of them with a proven track record......

If that makes you feel better. Between the retired military guys and the guys who work every angle to get around the cap. I don't think a handful of former Eastern scabs is going to be the issue for SWAPA and a strike. This group is a long way from the kind of unity to seriously entertain a strike. The union is fighting for improvements and keeping the important stuff in the contract. It's not like the company has slashed wages in half or completely ignored scope and entered an agreement with Norweigen Air. But when we go on strike for single digit percentage improvements in retirement and pay, it will be the former eastern guys with less than 5 years to go that take us all down.

 

[Tripower455]

If that makes you feel better.

What would've made me feel better would've been not taking them at all, or at least stapling them to the bottom of the list.

Between the retired military guys and the guys who work every angle to get around the cap. I don't think a handful of former Eastern scabs is going to be the issue for SWAPA and a strike. This group is a long way from the kind of unity to seriously entertain a strike. The union is fighting for improvements and keeping the important stuff in the contract. It's not like the company has slashed wages in half or completely ignored scope and entered an agreement with Norweigen Air.

I completely agree. I've flown with a ton of potential scabs here over the years. From folks who think we should just "forgive and forget" to guys who have flat out said that they would cross a picket line. We even had a famous guy (now gone) on our forum state that he'd bring the donuts as he crossed. Heck, our UNION hired a UAL '85 scab as a consultant (!) a while back, and their defense of it, when they were called out on it, was unbelievable. They ended up firing him, or at least kept his work under wraps.

But when we go on strike for single digit percentage improvements in retirement and pay, it will be the former eastern guys with less than 5 years to go that take us all down.

Regardless of how many years they have left, they've already caused enough damage to the profession, and the potential scabs don't need any more encouragement.

FWIW, we still have 2 or 3 (depending on who you ask), bona fide, non AT scabs working for us.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Wow, a strike at Southwest? I suspect there's a lot of pilots out there that would cross that picket line in a heartbeat.

Well, everyone know that YOU would, given the chance. You're the only one I've seen on this board bragging that he'd cross a picket line, so I guess that's par for the course. I'm only sorry that you never got the chance to do so in your career--since I know that "scab" is what you always aspired to be.

Bubba

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, we just inherited a bunch of them with a proven track record......

You got a handful of those, but, more to the point, about 1750 non-scabs, most of whom have already proven themselves when it comes to delivering a credible strike vote, informational picketing at airports, shareholder meetings, etc.