Some UAL/CAL News (For Those Interested)

[Andy]

What I find insulting, is that if the current situation was reversed? I don't think L-UAL would be offering ANYTHING to my fellow L-CAL pilots who were furloughed. Not a damn thing.

You need to check your history and remind yourself what UAL pilot history is and stow your attitude...

Hilarious. Reading the TPA was an order of magnitude too difficult for you?

Jeff loves ignorant pilots.

 

[Andy]

Two points: 1. If CAL had the furloughs that needed a job right now, And UAL was in CAL's position (vastly better contract) UAL wouldn't be hiring them. 2. If a pilot employee is not on probation and is a member in good standing in the same union, that ought to mean something. But it doesn't to L-UAL guys. As is evidenced by your boy Skippy:

SECTION 7-B OF THE TPA.

I'd post the content of section 7-B but there is only a certain level of sloth that I can tolerate. Find it and read it.

Flop, you're being an ignorant jackhole.

 

[Flopgut]

Hilarious. Reading the TPA was an order of magnitude too difficult for you?

Jeff loves ignorant pilots.

I read the TPA. It only exists in the form it does because UAL was in the shape it was in.

I don't remember there being a TPA discussed between UAL and USAir back in the day... Or America West. Certainly wasn't one with Frontier. If I remember correctly, RD made it clear USAir was a "purchase", America West was going to be "dismantled", and of course we all know what you did to Frontier. Let's not forget the "brain surgeon" comment back in the day.

Look guys, I'm not hinting that we are due the equal opposite of what you guys did to past airlines. I'm just saying you should not get a pass on your past behavior. L-UAL guys do a remarkable job of remembering everything that was done wrong at L-CAL over the years. But you can't remember your OWN transgressions AT ALL...

 

[eaglesview]

I read the TPA. It only exists in the form it does because UAL was in the shape it was in.

I don't remember there being a TPA discussed between UAL and USAir back in the day... Or America West. Certainly wasn't one with Frontier. If I remember correctly, RD made it clear USAir was a "purchase", America West was going to be "dismantled", and of course we all know what you did to Frontier. Let's not forget the "brain surgeon" comment back in the day.

Look guys, I'm not hinting that we are due the equal opposite of what you guys did to past airlines. I'm just saying you should not get a pass on your past behavior.

OK now your just being an idiot. Get a life.... Really. Like CO doesn't have "past beahavior." You must stock one hell of a lot of windex for that glass house of yours.

 

[Andy]

I read the TPA. It only exists in the form it does because UAL was in the shape it was in.

I don't remember there being a TPA discussed between UAL and USAir back in the day... Or America West. Certainly wasn't one with Frontier. If I remember correctly, RD made it clear USAir was a "purchase", America West was going to be "dismantled", and of course we all know what you did to Frontier. Let's not forget the "brain surgeon" comment back in the day.

Look guys, I'm not hinting that we are due the equal opposite of what you guys did to past airlines. I'm just saying you should not get a pass on your past behavior.

Nice spin - I assume that's a feeble attempt to deflect attention from your misstatement that LUAL would not hire LCAL furloughees. Here's section 7-B for those that don't have access to the TPA:

7-B. Job Opportunities.​

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(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List (which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.
(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice​

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to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.
(iii) Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise seniority for all purposes at the employing Airline in the seniority order of their originating Airline but junior to all Pilots who were on the seniority list of the employing Airline prior to the Merger Agreement Date. Upon implementation of the ISL Pilots will exercise seniority pursuant to their position on the ISL. All Pilots hired by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement Date.​

(iv) Notwithstanding Section 27, Part 2.A.2, B.2 or C.2 of the Continental CBA, all Pilots on either the United Pilots’ or Continental Pilots’ Seniority List as of the Effective Date of this Agreement employed by Continental shall be eligible for Medical, Dental and Vision Plan coverage on the Pilot’s first day of Active Service.
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So anyone who is able to read can clearly see that Flop's statement about LCAL furloughees not being offered jobs at LUAL is not only wrong but completely in left field.
Flop, you are now acting as a management tool. One whose goal is to divide labor with the misguided belief that management will reward you at the expense of LUAL pilots. Jeff loves pilots like you.

As for your off topic commentary about other attempted mergers, they're irrelevent. I view that as an attempt to deflect the topic away from your blatant misstatement about LCAL furloughees being hired at LUAL. Focus. Jeff likes employees that are easily distracted by immaterial diversions.
Jeff likes Flopgut. A lot.

Stop being a management tool.

 

[Flopgut]

OK now your just being an idiot. Get a life.... Really. Like CO doesn't have "past beahavior." You must stock one hell of a lot of windex for that glass house of yours.

I didn't say we didn't! I'm just not going to go along with you guys staring down your nose at all of us.

I've flown with 83 Lorenso hires. I've also flown with the strike coordinator for TI, who went to IAD to picket Lorenzo's New York Air. He asked UAL guys if they would walk the line with him and your strike chair said "We're United Airlines, we don't give a damn about your pissant Texas airline"...

Are we all going to pretend you [L-UAL] were not the uber arrogant pilot group you once were?

 

[Flopgut]

Andy: I promise jeff doesn't like me, or any CAL pilot really for that matter. We win arbitrations, avoid getting pinched by judges, don't vote 86%+ in favor of pay cuts, and we dont sacrafice scope for retirement...

 

[eaglesview]

I didn't say we didn't! I'm just not going to go along with you guys staring down your nose at all of us.

I've flown with 83 Lorenso hires. I've also flown with the strike coordinator for TI, who went to IAD to picket Lorenzo's New York Air. He asked UAL guys if they would walk the line with him and your strike chair said "We're United Airlines, we don't give a damn about your pissant Texas airline"...

Are we all going to pretend you [L-UAL] were not the uber arrogant pilot group you once were?

Once were? There you said it. Get over the past and point forward. I had CO pilots walk right by me while picketing during the EAL, look me in the eye, and tell me "it's not their fight." Do I think that's the majority of CO pilots ...NO. Get over yourself and move forward.

 

[Flopgut]

Once were? There you said it. Get over the past and point forward. I had CO pilots walk right by me while picketing during the EAL, look me in the eye, and tell me "it's not their fight." Do I think that's the majority of CO pilots ...NO. Get over yourself and move forward.

All right. You're right about this. Meaningless. My bad.

 

[Skippy]

The stereotypes of both pilot groups is getting tired. We need to put our effort toward the items that matter for the betterment of the entire pilot group, not making one group massively benefit at the expense of another.