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Zero stock (DALPA 5%=$37K/pilot, APA 13.5% = $100K)
$400M retro pay – avg. $34,000/pilot (DALPA: 2 on-time contracts = 100% retro)
UALPA determine allocation of L-UAL’s $225M retro cut (2/3 on eff date, 1/3 @ SLI)

Pay bands
• A380 (will never order 1)
• 747, A350, 777, 787, 767-400
• 767-300, 767-200, 757-300
• 757-200, 737-900/800, A320/321
• 737-700/500, A319
• EMB-190 (will probably order plenty..why no CRJ900)

Pay rates
• 2013: DAL - 8.5%
• 2014: DAL - 3%
• 2015: DAL - 3%
• 2016: DAL + 0%
• 2017: DAL + 3% (3% pay raise the day before the amendable date)

Amendable 1/1/17 (4-year CBA) (DALPA amendable 1/1/16 (3.5-year CBA))
16% B/C plan + frozen CAL A-plan (DALPA 15% B/C plan + frozen NW A-plan)
Premium pay for forced junior manning
Voluntary movable domestic RDOs for higher guarantee
Minimum 5 hours credit time/calendar day
Same Int’l override as DALPA
Long-term disability plan: pilot-financed $1-2/flight hour, max $97,000/year benefit
CAL PBS system, UA trip-trading system
CAL vacation system
3.25 hours/vacation day
2 less days of vacation for most senior pilots
No more credit time for vacation drops
3/3.25 hours/training day (<5/>5 day training period)
Significant concessions on hotel rights from UA CBA
New alt. dispute resolution philosophy of “mutually agree,” “company discretion”
Traditional medical plan: UA/CAL hybrid w/ higher out of pocket pilot expenses
HMO plans suffer a significant increase in out of pocket pilot cost
Trip rigs: 4 to 1 now & 3.5 to 1 on 1/1/14 which DALPA has had for years
Scope: similar to DALPA, arguably a little more restrictive on SJs
UAX flies SJs up to 88,000 lbs MTOGW (DALPA up to 223 76 seat SJs, 450 ttl)
UAX EMB-175s & CRJ-900 w/ 76 seats

Also training on days off still..
Scheduling can deny "fake" DH at beginning/ending of pairing
guarantee 70 hours (currently 76 short call / 72 long call)
can roll days off up to 6 for intl pilots (which everyone is)

United really is the sleaziest, lowest scum of the earth airline. This is after 4 years from scab/mgt want2be negotiating our contract. I can only hope the LUAL guys can see through the crowd of cowardly scabs on their knees over here and vote this POS down if it comes to pass.

CAL worst career decision...EVER
 
The Delta comparison out to 2017 isn't even accurate because if the current trend holds they will have another new contract in 2015.. If UCAL tries to sell this on "We'll match Delta by 2016" they're full of it.
 
they have always been full of it. The ones negotiating our contract have no intention of working under it. They will be off in a corner office in Chicago
 
Zero stock (DALPA 5%=$37K/pilot, APA 13.5% = $100K)
$400M retro pay – avg. $34,000/pilot (DALPA: 2 on-time contracts = 100% retro)
UALPA determine allocation of L-UAL’s $225M retro cut (2/3 on eff date, 1/3 @ SLI)

Pay bands
• A380 (will never order 1)
• 747, A350, 777, 787, 767-400
• 767-300, 767-200, 757-300
• 757-200, 737-900/800, A320/321
• 737-700/500, A319
• EMB-190 (will probably order plenty..why no CRJ900)

Pay rates
• 2013: DAL - 8.5%
• 2014: DAL - 3%
• 2015: DAL - 3%
• 2016: DAL + 0%
• 2017: DAL + 3% (3% pay raise the day before the amendable date)

Amendable 1/1/17 (4-year CBA) (DALPA amendable 1/1/16 (3.5-year CBA))
16% B/C plan + frozen CAL A-plan (DALPA 15% B/C plan + frozen NW A-plan)
Premium pay for forced junior manning
Voluntary movable domestic RDOs for higher guarantee
Minimum 5 hours credit time/calendar day
Same Int’l override as DALPA
Long-term disability plan: pilot-financed $1-2/flight hour, max $97,000/year benefit
CAL PBS system, UA trip-trading system
CAL vacation system
3.25 hours/vacation day
2 less days of vacation for most senior pilots
No more credit time for vacation drops
3/3.25 hours/training day (<5/>5 day training period)
Significant concessions on hotel rights from UA CBA
New alt. dispute resolution philosophy of “mutually agree,” “company discretion”
Traditional medical plan: UA/CAL hybrid w/ higher out of pocket pilot expenses
HMO plans suffer a significant increase in out of pocket pilot cost
Trip rigs: 4 to 1 now & 3.5 to 1 on 1/1/14 which DALPA has had for years
Scope: similar to DALPA, arguably a little more restrictive on SJs
UAX flies SJs up to 88,000 lbs MTOGW (DALPA up to 223 76 seat SJs, 450 ttl)
UAX EMB-175s & CRJ-900 w/ 76 seats

Also training on days off still..
Scheduling can deny "fake" DH at beginning/ending of pairing
guarantee 70 hours (currently 76 short call / 72 long call)
can roll days off up to 6 for intl pilots (which everyone is)

United really is the sleaziest, lowest scum of the earth airline. This is after 4 years from scab/mgt want2be negotiating our contract. I can only hope the LUAL guys can see through the crowd of cowardly scabs on their knees over here and vote this POS down if it comes to pass.

CAL worst career decision...EVER
This has to be a fake. There is no way that after this long , this is what they came up with.

Please tell me that this is a joke.
 
I wish I could...I suggest if your Lcal or LUal you let your reps know what you demand. Nothing less.
 
Give up vacation days, higher medical costs, zero stock, UAL trip trades, and pissant retro. if this pile is true and this passes both MECS, ALPA can kiss it goodbye. Excuse me, I have to take a smiseck.
 

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