some reported united contract details

[Uncle Bort]

Doesn't sound like you read the same TA.

 

[bizicmo]

So it sounds like everyone is voting no, just like every contract in the past. And even though everyone is voting no, it will pass, just like every contract in the past.

 

[densoo]

Doesn't sound like you read the same TA.

Double pumping reserves, the oxymoronic "moveable days off" for reserves, pennies on the dollar retro, engine runs, domestic checkin for ID/trip, partial pay for vacation, prorated duty days in vacation month reduces days off by two, 2 1/2 hour short call.

That TA?

I'm working my way through it.

 

[densoo]

So it sounds like everyone is voting no, just like every contract in the past. And even though everyone is voting no, it will pass, just like every contract in the past.

Ha. So true.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Dont forget about training on days off, with only 3.25 hrs pay for an 8 hr class, scope is absolutely wrecked, and they actually took vacation days away from the senior guys!!

 

[Andy]

MEC vote results:

7-4 CAL
12-3 UAL

Read between the lines. BOTH MECs are telling everyone to vote this down. Until you see a unimous yes vote, it's not even worth considering to vote yes.

I'll glance over the contract but if what I've read here is true, NFW.
6 immovable days off/mo for reserves? That's BS and reason enough to vote it down.

2+30 short call? YGBSM. I guess the CPO will be wanting to talk to me on a regular basis.

 

[Andy]

Yeah, what a turd of a contract.....Just too bad we will get railroaded by the ual pilot group and the garbage of a contract they have

You're joking, right? I've lived under both contracts and LUAL's contract sucks but LCAL's contract can suck chrome off a bumper.

 

[taxicabdriver]

You're joking, right? I've lived under both contracts and LUAL's contract sucks but LCAL's contract can suck chrome off a bumper.

Not kidding at all, this will get voted in by the UAL group based solely on the pay rates in my opinion...Ive not flown with one CAL guy that says they will vote for this turd, but the UAL guys I've talked to in the crew room all think the leaked pay rates, which were right on, were perfectly fine with them. Oh, and don't forget the reserve mpg went from 76 for CAL to 70 with the new contract....Another give-back from our current contract! I'd personally rather live with what we have and hope for something better than vote for this POS

 

[densoo]

You're joking, right? I've lived under both contracts and LUAL's contract sucks but LCAL's contract can suck chrome off a bumper.

UAL representation voted 80% in favor.

 

[Andy]

UAL representation voted 80% in favor.

If it isn't 100%, the MEC is sending a message to the membership.

Will it pass? Possibly. The POS 64 1/2 year old lcal craptain I flew with last week said he'd vote in favor of anything because he just wanted his retro and didn't care about any other details. (the craphole sellouts aren't limited to one subsidiary; they're in both subsidiaries).
Toss in lcal and lual scabholes with the wheezer geezers and you've got what - 25% of the vote? Add in the idiots who have already spent their retro checks on new swimming pools/cars/etc and you've probably got another 5% of 'yes for anything' voters. So it could pass but I'm not counting on it. Far too many turds in the punchbowl.


As far as pay rates, you guys realize that everyone on lual property is on year 12, right? Compare lual year 12 to lcal year 12. Near zero difference in payrates.

I don't know who you guys are talking to at lual but it's probably the geezers. Ask anyone in the bottom half of the list and they're likely voting no.

Of course jay pierce assured us that he wasn't going to send a TA out to the membership that wouldn't pass so we've got that going for us. :angryfire