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Andy

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Andy, remember, you were convinced age 65 would not happen.

DUH! If I was convinced it wouldn't happen, why would I have spent so much time fighting it and trying to get people to fight it???????????

You have never been the sharpest knife in the drawer; no need to continually post and remove all doubt.
 

Andy

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Really?
My T/A says in Sec.6 Seniority 7.5, last sentence, Pilots shall receive credit for all time on furlough.

LOA 25, paragraph 4. Listed as page 463; is page 473 of the .pdf file.

Pay Longevity Credit for Furloughees
Upon date of signing, any pilot who is, or previously was, furloughed and whose accrued
pay longevity is less than that of pilots hired on or before 5/6/08 shall receive additional​
pay longevity credit for time spent on furlough, but only to the extent that such credit
does not provide a pay longevity date prior to 5/7/08. When an Integrated Seniority List is
presented to the Company that satisfies the terms of Section 5 of the Transition and​
Process Agreement (“TPA”), pilots who are or previously were furl​
oughed shall receive
additional pay longevity credit for all time spent on furlough provided that they have
additional time on furlough which was not credited for pay longevity purposes upon date
of signing, and provided further that the application of such additional credit does not
result in any s-United pilot having a pay longevity date that is earlier than the pay
longevity date of the next most senior s-Continental pilot. For purposes of the application
of the calculations required by the preceding sentence only, a hypothetical unadjusted
pay longevity date for s-Continental pilots shall be used. The hypothetical unadjusted pay
longevity date will be established by removing pay longevity reductions resulting from to

time spent on leaves of absence.
 

Andy

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The vote will not even be close. This TA will pass.

How many guys are retiring in the next few years wondering if they will get anything?

How many soon to be Captains because of the above will be looking at Capt rates and not where they are at currently.

Mark my word....the vote will not be close.

Unfortunately, I agree with you.
 

Andy

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Credit for furloughed guys is a SLI issue not contractual issue.

Furlough credit should have been a contractual issue. My understanding is that LCAL forced this into the contract - the LOA was 'my way or the highway'.
 

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Credit for furloughed guys is a SLI issue not contractual issue.

Negative Ghost Rider. The joint contract, before the SLI, gave the FNWA pilots credit for their years out on furlough. The SLI was handled by 3 arbitrators.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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Furlough credit should have been a contractual issue. My understanding is that LCAL forced this into the contract - the LOA was 'my way or the highway'.

You are getting hosed. Think of the pay increase if you got the contractual pay raise plus credit for your 5 or how many ever years out on furlough? Huge.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 

Andy

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You are getting hosed. Think of the pay increase if you got the contractual pay raise plus credit for your 5 or how many ever years out on furlough? Huge.



Bye Bye---General Lee

This is an attempt by L-CAL to use the contract to affect the SLI. It may work but it may also backfire. It's a very transparent attempt to further negatively impact my career.
 

Andy

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UAL MEC voted 12-3.

... with a gun to their heads. pierce has been threatening a lorenzoII breakup of L-UAL just like what happened to Eastern for quite a while.

This TA is likely to be voted in. At that point, my furlough longevity credit will hinge on where I'm integrated into the combined list.
 

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Andy no one at LCAL I have talked to thinks this is a good deal, my friends are all planning a solid no vote. This is a time for us all to vote no not LCAL or LUAL all of us a resounding no vote. Good luck, this contract is a turd and it has nothing to do with SLI.
 

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... with a gun to their heads. pierce has been threatening a lorenzoII breakup of L-UAL just like what happened to Eastern for quite a while.

This TA is likely to be voted in. At that point, my furlough longevity credit will hinge on where I'm integrated into the combined list.

A gun to their head? GMAFB! Your representatives voted CONVINCINGLY in favor of this awful TA and you wanna blame Jay Pierce? Heppner was bloviating a month ago about how good this was going to be. Your UAL "brothers" sold you out. Plain and simple. If the CAL reps puts something in the agreement to help 147 guys out and your reps did nothing, then your Reps left you in the breeze to fend for yourself. Man up and blame the appropriate party.

You UAL dudes are wild conspiracy theorists. Full of blame and victimhood. Call your reps out, vote no or STFU and take your lumps.

I'm personally voting yes so that we LCAL pilots can "steal" more upgrades before the SLI.....I'm sure you're buying into that LUAL=EAL conspiracy also.
 

Jetjockey

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Don't forget the parking of the 737s to make the merger happen.....
 

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Years pass and I keep silent, trolling through the colorful and entertaining views on this board. But this TA has put me over the edge.
This is what we've waited for?!? Always expecting something better because we gave back so much in the past?!? It's such a slap in our faces, not only from Mgt but also from our very own MECs. As for the pay alone... Even my Delta buddies have got to be in disbelief that our "industry-leading contract" actually takes the entire passenger industry a year backwards. And I say "passenger industry" because we're all still well behind UPS and FedEx.
Besides pay, the scope sucks. Reserve pay sucks. The attempt at retro sucks. So much of this TA is just plain crap! We've got to stick together and send a unified NO vote. This isn't Cal vs Ual. This is PILOTS working together against Mgt!
NONONONONONONO...
 

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I don't think it is the legacy airline you came from that will make the difference of how one votes, it's the years left that will. It will be all those who will take the $$ and run v. all of us that will be left holding the f-ing bag.
 

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Years pass and I keep silent, trolling through the colorful and entertaining views on this board. But this TA has put me over the edge.
This is what we've waited for?!? Always expecting something better because we gave back so much in the past?!? It's such a slap in our faces, not only from Mgt but also from our very own MECs. As for the pay alone... Even my Delta buddies have got to be in disbelief that our "industry-leading contract" actually takes the entire passenger industry a year backwards. And I say "passenger industry" because we're all still well behind UPS and FedEx.
Besides pay, the scope sucks. Reserve pay sucks. The attempt at retro sucks. So much of this TA is just plain crap! We've got to stick together and send a unified NO vote. This isn't Cal vs Ual. This is PILOTS working together against Mgt!
NONONONONONONO...



AMEN BROTHER! It's NO for me!
 

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+1000 just vote no resoundingly together and let the MEC know just how much THEY let us down.
 

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And where's ALPA National? I think they would be terrified if this passed. The ramifications could be United ALPA=done, weakening National, just in time to fall apart as the airlines justify Cabotage due to the pilot shortage.
Maybe that's more what mgmnt wants than anything.
All riding on a pilot group notorious for members who have no qualms about ruining other pilot lives to better their own, and are about to retire. Is it coincidence it is this group that this all hinges on?
I'll take off my tinfoil hat now. For anyone who has over 5 years left at United I can't imagine this contract being even close to a yes vote.
 
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