So when do the new rest rules actually happen?

[Twisted Mind]

A lot of regionals have started to hire. Little early to call it a boom, but YIP might be right.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Why is it retarded? You don't think Romney will cater only to major corporate interests? Who do you thinks backing him?

 

[Clutch]

You think pilots' rest rules are priority number one for a new president?

Ok. Retarded was harsh. It's a silly notion though, slappy.

 

[mtsupilot376]

In theory, that's how it should work. But most regional pilots are barely scraping by as it is. So there is the financial dis-incentive to calling fatigued when necessary. Some companies also have punitive policies which discourage fatigue calls. It's total BS, but part of the screwed up status quo.

Specifically, option two out of the three possible outcomes for a fatigue call (seems to be the most popular by the company, btw) whereby the fatigue call is accepted and deemed non-operationally related, pilot is removed from schedule for rest, and paid out of his available SICK bank.

…and someone please explain to me how that is not punitive? ALPA seems to think that's all fine and dandy.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Everyone might want to reread the sections of the .pdf and look at Fatigue Risk Mitigation Program (FRMS). The tables at the end of it aren't as cut and dry as thought...

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Specifically, option two out of the three possible outcomes for a fatigue call (seems to be the most popular by the company, btw) whereby the fatigue call is accepted and deemed non-operationally related, pilot is removed from schedule for rest, and paid out of his available SICK bank.

…and someone please explain to me how that is not punitive? ALPA seems to think that's all fine and dandy.

If the fatigue was the responsibility of the company, you are paid from the company. If the fatigue was not (sick baby at home, just couldn't sleep, or whatever) it is paid from your sick bank. It's way better than the old way, which was a chief pilot reviewed the farigue event, and it was completely unpaid if not the responsibility of the company.

The FRC has an ALPA rep and a company rep. They review all fatigue reports, and determine the cause. So far, it has been a big success. There is a lot of room for learning on both the pilot side and company side (scheduling). Change won't be overnight, but things are improving.

 

[No Delay]

It couild also mean fewer dayd off in order to make guarentee, watch out for those unintented consquences

Min guarantee and min days off can be negotiated in our contract. These new regulations are setting min rest. It is not min work! Just keep that in mind.

 

[pilotyip]

Min guarantee and min days off can be negotiated in our contract. These new regulations are setting min rest. It is not min work! Just keep that in mind.

I am keeping that in mind, but we have not seen it yet, but there are always unintended consequences. Present schedules can not be flown with the new rules, schedules will have to adjusted, so we do not know what those will look like.

 

[HA25]

A distinct reduction for your QOL occurs that day.

in that....

 

[HA25]

... The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. ...

or here's a bright idea... why not work less hours for same (or even more pay)... grab your nuts man.

 

[HA25]

ya just did. That's a retarded statement. You retarded?

you are either super naive or you are trolling, right?

Romney, friend of labor and foe of the corporate board of directors... right.

 

[Clutch]

you are either super naive or you are trolling, right?

Romney, friend of labor and foe of the corporate board of directors... right.

Trolling, you liberal doofus

 

[HA25]

Trolling, you liberal doofus

I'm not liberal... I'm pro-life, anti-gay mariage, pro-gun, and anti-affirmative action... BUT, above all else, I'm pro-labor and NOT naive.

 

[aircombat]

No president is going to over turn this bill in the foreseeable future. It would be the equivalent of raising your hand and saying I have no interest in airline passenger safety. I couldn't imagine the fallout.
Now, extensions and the possible use of the loop hole that allows airlines to make their own rules is completely possible.

 

[labbats]

No president is going to over turn this bill in the foreseeable future. It would be the equivalent of raising your hand and saying I have no interest in airline passenger safety. I couldn't imagine the fallout.
Now, extensions and the possible use of the loop hole that allows airlines to make their own rules is completely possible.

You mean like a cargo waiver? uke: