So what now at SKW

[flyboyzz1]

well I guess you should have put a password up sooner to keep the unverified skywest ****************************** bags out. Anyway, I'm glad your type is a minority at your great company! Cheers

 

[Erlanger]

You know, I used to say that I'd never wish furloughs on anyone cause I've been furloughed and it's no fun. With that said, it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of pilots. I hope you (SKW) furlough exactly 348 FOs and downgrade exactly 148 CAs which will be exactly 1 more in each group than we had to do at ExpressJet. I remember not long ago when many of your smug, flame-baiting pilots were coming onto our message boards during your shameless attempt to buy us and slinging ill will towards our pilot group. It will never be forgotten by the XJT pilot group. I further hope they do many of these furloughs out of seniority order so you can have a bitter pill of your own anti-union rhetoric you spewed at us with such total disrespect to the hard work of our union and fellow pilots at XJT. Enjoy the downturn, SKW, and welcome to the club.

Maybe you should heed the very advice you have at the end of all your postings.

Sometimes the worst things that happen to you in life turn out to be the best in the long run.

 

[Goose Egg]

Check yourself before you wreck yourself...

Actually, it was CAL management using SKW management as a tool to crush our management into giving up the farm just to keep the lights on. And in case you weren't aware, and as I said in my post, your pilots invited themselves onto our message boards and intentionally and with malice rubbed our noses in it. Was it the 1% turd factor? Maybe. You can get mad at me all you want - but facts are facts.

Facts are facts, and you seem to be confusing them with faulty conjecture. Personally, I was not aware of any SkyWest Pilot going on an XJT message board and "rubbing [your] noses" in anything. If it's true, then it's incredibly low. That is if it's true.

Fact: I personally came on THIS message board during that time and said that I wished the XJT pilot group the best, and I know this to be the consensus among my fellow employees.

Now you hold the entire SKW pilot group responsible for the alleged actions of a few? That's not any better of you than the people who caused injuries that you perceived, in my opinion. You become what you hate.

Now I think we all need to just get off the board for a while, cool off, grab a beverage, go to our corner, and come back when we all can behave like rational adults. This might take a day.... or 50.

Anyway, taking my own advice in 5, 4, 3, 2...

-Goose

 

[SLFLYHI]

Maybe you should heed the very advice you have at the end of all your postings.

You're right, Erlanger. And it's still very good advice. Expressjet has rebounded well after those dark days in October when we didn't know if we'd have a job the next day. Maybe this whole thing with CAL-SKW-XJT power play will work out for us in the end. But don't blame me for being bitter at a group of jerks who kicked us in our darkest hour. It would be as if someone came to Comair or ASA and implied that you deserved to lose your job because you belong to ALPA and because your management went down swinging....because that's precisely what I'm talking about here.

 

[BigLebowski]

You know, I used to say that I'd never wish furloughs on anyone cause I've been furloughed and it's no fun. With that said, it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of pilots. I hope you (SKW) furlough exactly 348 FOs and downgrade exactly 148 CAs which will be exactly 1 more in each group than we had to do at ExpressJet. I remember not long ago when many of your smug, flame-baiting pilots were coming onto our message boards during your shameless attempt to buy us and slinging ill will towards our pilot group. It will never be forgotten by the XJT pilot group. I further hope they do many of these furloughs out of seniority order so you can have a bitter pill of your own anti-union rhetoric you spewed at us with such total disrespect to the hard work of our union and fellow pilots at XJT. Enjoy the downturn, SKW, and welcome to the club.

...man someone needs to get laid.

I don't remember any of us bashing you. Why don't you kick your ego down a few levels and come back and join us at the regional level.

 

[MONKEY]

Maybe SkyWest pilots maybe not

Actually, it was CAL management using SKW management as a tool to crush our management into giving up the farm just to keep the lights on. And in case you weren't aware, and as I said in my post, your pilots invited themselves onto our message boards and intentionally and with malice rubbed our noses in it. Was it the 1% turd factor? Maybe. You can get mad at me all you want - but facts are facts.

Oh, and I never interviewed at SKW and never flunked any interviews anywhere, thanks.

When people hide behind screen names there is no way to know who they are or what their agenda is. It is possible they were some of our immature pilots.

But it is also possible that it was some of your own trying to solidify the resolve of the rest of the pilot group. If so, it worked. To this day you hate SkyWest pilots and the vote went the way they wanted.

But then again it may have been some 10 year old who was bored because he doesn't have any friends. You just never know who it was or what their motivation was.

My point is get rid of the anger. If not, I'm sure that who ever did it, at least one of them was white. So if you're going to hate, hate whitey!

 

[wilde737]

You're right, Erlanger. And it's still very good advice. Expressjet has rebounded well after those dark days in October when we didn't know if we'd have a job the next day. Maybe this whole thing with CAL-SKW-XJT power play will work out for us in the end. But don't blame me for being bitter at a group of jerks who kicked us in our darkest hour. It would be as if someone came to Comair or ASA and implied that you deserved to lose your job because you belong to ALPA and because your management went down swinging....because that's precisely what I'm talking about here.

Wow, you need to relax! If some of our pilots were on your message board, and offended you, I'm sorry. Like was said earlier, the 1% cannot speak for the whole group. If I remember correctly, when XJT started flying out of SLC, the same was done here. I personally had several XJT pilots in the actual, preaching to us that XJT was going to take over the SLC base. Take it all with a grain of salt. As a former Jetlinker, I know what the pilot group is like, and know that a few don't speak for the group. Take a deep breath, drink a beer, and relax!

 

[007]

Take a deep breath, drink a beer, and relax!

Working on it!! Here is to the 1%, for without them, our life would be so boring!

 

[ehaecker]

Meeting is to be held Monday and Tuesday to discuss overstaffing. We should know more after Tuesday. They have said they want to lose 250 pilots on a VOLUNTARY basis. That's the only official word so far. Good luck to all. I have already updated the resume and sent it to a couple places...

 

[10nCLR]

You know, I used to say that I'd never wish furloughs on anyone cause I've been furloughed and it's no fun. With that said, it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of pilots. I hope you (SKW) furlough exactly 348 FOs and downgrade exactly 148 CAs which will be exactly 1 more in each group than we had to do at ExpressJet. I remember not long ago when many of your smug, flame-baiting pilots were coming onto our message boards during your shameless attempt to buy us and slinging ill will towards our pilot group. It will never be forgotten by the XJT pilot group. I further hope they do many of these furloughs out of seniority order so you can have a bitter pill of your own anti-union rhetoric you spewed at us with such total disrespect to the hard work of our union and fellow pilots at XJT. Enjoy the downturn, SKW, and welcome to the club.

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[ampropilot2b]

Time2Spare,

Are you for real? Do you really mean to stereotype a group of nearly 3,000 pilots based on the actions of maybe a dozen (worst case scenario)? That is 0.5% of the pilot group at worst. If that is the case, you need to toughen up and educate yourself about how these message boards work. Message boards provided an anonymous forum for people to say what they obviously wouldn't say in person. That is a fact. If you don't have the capacity to sort through the bull, you shouldn't even log on to these boards-you'll just make yourself more miserable. Don't hypocritically use flightinfo to complain about how other pilot groups antagonized you, then anonymously antagonize them back. Why don't you tell a Skywest Captain what you think of our pilot group in person the next time you try to jumpseat to work on our airplane. Thank goodness the XJET guys I've carried to CLE and HOU from Chicago, and probably 99.5% of XJET pilots have the capacity to handle this situation properly.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Now I am not sure what Jerry and the boys will do for yall, but things sure don't look rosy over here anymore.

Can you think of a place, anywhere in the US economy, where things do look rosy? Much less the airline industry? Much less the regional airline industry?

Thinking I'm going to be at a regional a lot longer than I had anticipated I'd like to buy a house but don't have enough confidence in the economy or my job security, after 3 years @ xjt, to want to take on that much debt....

Anyone have a crystal ball I can borrow?

 

[johnpeace]

Anyone have a crystal ball I can borrow?

Yup, I guarantee it'll change again. That this too shall pass.

Nothing new under the sun, the American economy has been cyclically weak/strong since the beginning of the 20th century.

We've been long overdue for the deep cycle we're entering now..but think about how far the pendulum is going to swing the other way when it's time for our recovery!

 

[Speedtape]

Very sorry to hear of the furlough at ASA. You guys seem like you worked your tails off just to get a swift kick in the nads.

Just wanted to hear some of the predictions for what will happen now at Skywest? I feel that with a furlough at ASA, we will be next on the list very shortly. They are working on LOAs and part time pilot lines but I don't think that will do much to shrink the over populated pilot group. I would guess 150 pilots will soon be kicked to the street (me included). Hope I am wrong...here is to going to bed another night not knowing what tomorrow brings...:beer:

The writing appears to be on the wall.

 

[staylow]

The word is that there's a lot more flying coming our way but it won't be DAL flying.

Why will this rumor not die...clinging to false hope.

 

[SLFLYHI]

Time2Spare,

Are you for real? Do you really mean to stereotype a group of nearly 3,000 pilots based on the actions of maybe a dozen (worst case scenario)? That is 0.5% of the pilot group at worst. If that is the case, you need to toughen up and educate yourself about how these message boards work. Message boards provided an anonymous forum for people to say what they obviously wouldn't say in person. That is a fact. If you don't have the capacity to sort through the bull, you shouldn't even log on to these boards-you'll just make yourself more miserable. Don't hypocritically use flightinfo to complain about how other pilot groups antagonized you, then anonymously antagonize them back. Why don't you tell a Skywest Captain what you think of our pilot group in person the next time you try to jumpseat to work on our airplane. Thank goodness the XJET guys I've carried to CLE and HOU from Chicago, and probably 99.5% of XJET pilots have the capacity to handle this situation properly.

Ok, ok, everyone. First and foremost, I apologize for holding the entire SKW pilot group responsible for the few tools who screwed with us at a really bad time. Second, the irony was not lost on me that I was doing basically the same thing - I guess it was wishing someone ill who did us ill - not mature and I was wrong. Third, most of those who've responded have done so with tact, and I appreciate that...even if I was a little pi$$y in my post. Finally, I really don't hope anyone at any airline gets furloughed - I was furloughed and it totally sucks.

I know there are some really great guys at SKW, just like at XJT, and we don't need to be infighting. I'm sorry for what I said, what's done is done, and stoking the embers is stupid. We are all in this God-foresaken industry together and I'm hoping for the best for all of us in 2009.

T2S

P.S. Even in my anger, I've never denied anyone from SKW my jumpseat, EVER. Just so you know.

 

[Goose Egg]

We are all in this God-foresaken industry together and I'm hoping for the best for all of us in 2009.

Thanks for your apology to those of us in the SKW group. It actually means a lot. Thank you.

Regarding this "Godforsaken industry," (and I have scarcely ever mentioned the airline industry without putting the term "Godforsaken" in front of it) I personally have an exit strategy. The down-side is that it involves about six more years of schooling, but it is an exit strategy nonetheless. Being an airline pilot was always my #1 choice for a job. This has always been #2. And it's basically recession-proof, so I shan't be going down this road again.

Kind regards, T2S.

-Goose

 

[FlySacto]

Ok, ok, everyone. First and foremost, I apologize for holding the entire SKW pilot group responsible for the few tools who screwed with us at a really bad time. Second, the irony was not lost on me that I was doing basically the same thing - I guess it was wishing someone ill who did us ill - not mature and I was wrong. Third, most of those who've responded have done so with tact, and I appreciate that...even if I was a little pi$$y in my post. Finally, I really don't hope anyone at any airline gets furloughed - I was furloughed and it totally sucks.

I know there are some really great guys at SKW, just like at XJT, and we don't need to be infighting. I'm sorry for what I said, what's done is done, and stoking the embers is stupid. We are all in this God-foresaken industry together and I'm hoping for the best for all of us in 2009.

T2S

P.S. Even in my anger, I've never denied anyone from SKW my jumpseat, EVER. Just so you know.

You show some class T2S. Let's hope the best for all of us with our sick desire to fly for a living. Just today one of my FO's called me worried about walking the street if we let people go. I told him he could sling drinks and get laid more. He doesn't feel so bad now. Good luck to you sir and your comrades.

 

[No.W.]

Thanks for your apology to those of us in the SKW group. It actually means a lot. Thank you.

Regarding this "Godforsaken industry," (and I have scarcely ever mentioned the airline industry without putting the term "Godforsaken" in front of it) I personally have an exit strategy. The down-side is that it involves about six more years of schooling, but it is an exit strategy nonetheless. Being an airline pilot was always my #1 choice for a job. This has always been #2. And it's basically recession-proof, so I shan't be going down this road again.

Kind regards, T2S.

-Goose

IF you are talking about going into Medicine...be careful.

We've got 170k in medical school debt and socialized healthcare could easily cut my wife's eventual salary by 50% or more(read, we'll be paying that debt for 30 years).

Of course, at least she will STILL have a JOB if the economy completely tanks AND we get socialized healthcare. So I guess there IS that.

 

[Goose Egg]

IF you are talking about going into Medicine...be careful.

We've got 170k in medical school debt and socialized healthcare could easily cut my wife's eventual salary by 50% or more(read, we'll be paying that debt for 30 years).

Of course, at least she will STILL have a JOB if the economy completely tanks AND we get socialized healthcare. So I guess there IS that.

Nope, not medicine. I'm crazy, but not that crazy. I'm looking at 2nd BS in civil engineering along with an MS in civil engineering/hydrology. I'll have a bit of debt, but I'm estimating probably $25k max--state schools, in-state tuition, and a fairly common grad program for any univeristy to have (heckuva lot more common than medical schools, anyway, and much cheaper to implement), although there's only one school in the state that would has the hydrology specialty. Fortunately, if you've done well in your supporting coursework, it's not a difficult program to get into.

It's probably more like four more years anyway. And two of those are for the lower division courses that I should have done while I was an undergrad but instead got a degree in underwater basket weaving...er airplane flying. I think going back to school would be worthwhile whether the economy was in the crapper or not.

Even so, that is an awfully late start for a career in life... oh well. You play the hand you're dealt. I'm glad my main goals in life aren't centered on amassing wealth!

-Goose

 

[Nevets]

I think we all know it wasn't good for anyone except maybe management and share holders.

I personally think it would have been good for all three pilot groups as well.

To this day you hate SkyWest pilots and the vote went the way they wanted.

What vote?

 

[No.W.]

Nope, not medicine. I'm crazy, but not that crazy. I'm looking at 2nd BS in civil engineering along with an MS in civil engineering/hydrology. I'll have a bit of debt, but I'm estimating probably $25k max--state schools, in-state tuition, and a fairly common grad program for any univeristy to have (heckuva lot more common than medical schools, anyway, and much cheaper to implement), although there's only one school in the state that would has the hydrology specialty. Fortunately, if you've done well in your supporting coursework, it's not a difficult program to get into.

It's probably more like four more years anyway. And two of those are for the lower division courses that I should have done while I was an undergrad but instead got a degree in underwater basket weaving...er airplane flying. I think going back to school would be worthwhile whether the economy was in the crapper or not.

Even so, that is an awfully late start for a career in life... oh well. You play the hand you're dealt. I'm glad my main goals in life aren't centered on amassing wealth!

-Goose

Good on you. That sounds like a SOLID career choice!

 

[Metro752]

What now at Skywest? When they furlough, you LAMAs can go back to Mayyyyyyyyyyyy Sahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[Klr2land]

What now at Skywest? When they furlough, you LAMAs can go back to Mayyyyyyyyyyyy Sahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Skywest is not furloughing, _ss wipe.

 

[Metro752]

Skywest is not furloughing, _ss wipe.

ASA plans to do so, and it is no secret your dick smoke management considering it since you have nearly 250 too many pilots, according to them.

You work there? I bet you will pickup opentime too if they furlough. Eventually the pilots at Skywest will get burned.

 

[flyboyzz1]

and make your day too!

 

[av8rbama]

IF you are talking about going into Medicine...be careful.

We've got 170k in medical school debt and socialized healthcare could easily cut my wife's eventual salary by 50% or more(read, we'll be paying that debt for 30 years).

Of course, at least she will STILL have a JOB if the economy completely tanks AND we get socialized healthcare. So I guess there IS that.

Bingo!

Many states have severe shortages in rural areas and are willing to offset the cost of med school if you agree to work in an underserved area... not a bad deal for many people.

But then again, socialized medicine will be a bitch.

A CE degree is also a pretty good ringer. I may have an opportunity to put my MSCE to use being furloughed and all...

 

[Dubya]

ASA plans to do so, and it is no secret your dick smoke management considering it since you have nearly 250 too many pilots, according to them.

You work there? I bet you will pickup opentime too if they furlough. Eventually the pilots at Skywest will get burned.

I heard about your sim. Keep your chin up. You'll get it eventually.

W

 

[kj6991]

ASA plans to do so, and it is no secret your dick smoke management considering it since you have nearly 250 too many pilots, according to them.

You work there? I bet you will pickup opentime too if they furlough. Eventually the pilots at Skywest will get burned.

I've still yet to get a clear answer from you after many attempts.... where do you work again you pr!ck?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I've still yet to get a clear answer from you after many attempts.... where do you work again you pr!ck?

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