SLI is out, it looks good for both sides

[Big Time]

Dude, stop yelling. My career financial expectations were not my number one priority. If they were I would've applied at Fed-Ex or UPS. I didn't, and therefore thought QOL from being a more senior pilot in a faster manner was more desirable. Yay, I make a whopping $30k extra a year to be at the very bottom of the list. Not to mention, I see no other gains (QOL) until I'm on the SWA side of the things. That could take up to 30 more months. Another few years after that and my aircraft type starts leaving the property as leases expire. Now I'm forced into "general population" with only my seniority number dictating my vacation, bidding power (ie. weekend trips for the next 20 years), and base. Unless we grow...A LOT, I'm hosed till 2025+.

I agree with you....as I said. The hold on AT captain slots for SWA fo's sucks for AT guys. That being said, as far as QOL issues, I always get a weekend line. Been here 5 yrs. But I also ALWAYS trade through our open time for weekday trips. Always. That flexibility is universal here. A little persistence and an internet connection is all you need to make your schedule look like you want it to look. The fact is, without growth everybody on the SWA fo list stagnates at current pay without "massive growth". Every fo on the AT side gets a HUGE pay raise and the scheduling flexibilty to keep their QOL. Again, SWA fo's getting all the cap slots till 2020 is crap for you guys. But, without growth...tell me what I get.

 

[Lear70]

A new upgraded aai capt makes less than Swa fo with lower qol issues. So money or seat, it's always about money

Speak for yourself, my friend.

You will see the vast majority of senior CA's and F/O's, myself included, be the LAST people out the door to cross the fence into training. Why? Because I like my quality of life.

I will forego approximately 30-35% of the raise from average Credit of 80 hours to average TFP of 105-110 after we cross over and start flying on SWAPA's scheduling/pay system in staying behind until the end. I'll do so gladly as it means I get to keep my weekends off and holidays with my fiance' and son for 2 1/2 more years while SWA grows and hires more F/O's in behind us.

Money or quality of life? No brainer. It's not always about the money.

 

[PCL_128]

I'll do so gladly as it means I get to keep my weekends off and holidays with my fiance' .....

Fiance? When the hell did you get engaged?

 

[ASADFW7]

I heard Lear got engaged at the Hendersonville Cracker Barrel, she smiled at him at the check out counter. Cheers, I do not know how to smiley face.

 

[Lear70]

Fiance? When the hell did you get engaged?

Two weeks ago on vacation in Curacao for a week. You should check FB more often.

And don't be hatin' on the Hendersonville Cracker Barrell... that right there is some ROMANTIC dinner locale with the fireplace a cracklin'...

 

[dicko]

i guess youre right. I didnt consider those possibilities. Ill call Ms. Cleo and se what she says.

Careful with Ms. Cleo. The last time I saw her it cost me four days in the 'big house' and four weeks on 'medication'.

Worth every minute, and she lied to me ....

Cheers

 

[PCL_128]

Two weeks ago on vacation in Curacao for a week. You should check FB more often.

Congrats! I had no idea. I check FB about once every month. Guess I need to kick it up a notch!

 

[ASADFW7]

I know I have been there myself, that is where my wife bought her latest version of the salt and pepper shakers!

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

Fiance? When the hell did you get engaged?

As soon as she found out he was a SWA pilot...

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[ASADFW7]

As soon as she found out he was a SWA pilot...

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

Best post of the night.

 

[Lear70]

OK, smarta$$es... lol

Good one, Arcadia. :beer:

Thanks, PCL.

 

[Flying-Corporal]

From what I can tell.....the Airtran guys are getting gains in black and white as soon as the deal is done. Take my seniority spot ( 6 yr SWA FO). A guy on the Airtran side in that spot gets a pay raise, cheaper healthcare, better 401k, profit sharing, etc. What do I get? Nothing. Now hold on.

Money comes and goes. Seniority stays. It takes one bad CEO to screw things up and WISH you'd picked seniority over money.

Look at United prior to 9/11.

 

[vixin]

You sprung for the Cracker? Isnt the waffel house the norm?

 

[jonjuan]

When you say we'd "exceed our financial career expectations", you're assuming that AirTran pilots compensation would never go up . You're assuming our pay would never rise and SWA would never fall.

There isn't a single airline that is on top today, that was on top 20 years ago.

winner, winner, chicken dinner. As SWA pay rates DOUBLED from the early 1990s to mid 2000s due to their growth, ATs growth would also lead to SIGNIFICANT pay rate and QOL improvements. SWA somehow thinks because their growth is over, others is over too.

Fail thinking.

 

[OldManPilot]

A new upgraded aai capt makes less than Swa fo with lower qol issues. So money or seat, it's always about money

If it's about money and benefits, why do we have to wait till april 1 for pay and up to 30 months for benefits?
With all the upgrades to SWA pilots till 2020 this is a total staple to ALL AT F/O's. What is fair about that? I doubt the MEC will even put this out for a vote. I am sorely disappointed. I was expecting something fair for all.
Pay comes and goes, seniority is forever.

 

[T45Flyer]

Two weeks ago on vacation in Curacao for a week. You should check FB more often.

And don't be hatin' on the Hendersonville Cracker Barrell... that right there is some ROMANTIC dinner locale with the fireplace a cracklin'...

Congrats Lear!

 

[tico]

Does Vegas have odds on this yet...I lay it out this way...airtran a 58% yes vote...not enough disgruntled fo's to overide all the cpts and the 4 year and down crowd.....swa a yes by 69%....top 70% of the cpts know not to mess up a good thing...in the bottom 30%, the yes votes will run 4-5:1.....the 5 year and down gang will vote yes....again, not enough momentum from the no votes to win the day......if proven wrong, I like my crow with a little salt and lime

 

[PCL_128]

I wouldn't even bet on it going to a vote at AirTran. It may get killed at the MEC level.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'll bet you $20 you're wrong.

Gup

 

[Bake]

me too. 20 dollars. But, I will give you one hundred if you're right.

 

[PCL_128]

I'll bet you $20 you're wrong.

Gup

I just said that I wouldn't bet, and you're trying to get me to bet? Sorry, but I'll pass. It really could go either way.

 

[saabcaptain]

When you say we'd "exceed our financial career expectations", you're assuming that AirTran pilots compensation would never go up . You're assuming our pay would never rise and SWA would never fall.

There isn't a single airline that is on top today, that was on top 20 years ago.

Food for thought. My crystal ball broke long ago.

There isn't a single airline that has made money every year for 30+ (forget 20) years either. Oh wait. There is one.

 

[tico]

Ths Mec should send it along with a yes, neutral or no reccomendation....It is far to important an issue for them to not pass it along.....

 

[PCL_128]

Ths Mec should send it along with a yes, neutral or no reccomendation....It is far to important an issue for them to not pass it along.....

An MEC should never send something out unless it's with a yes recommendation.

 

[saabcaptain]

SWA 55/45 pass

AAI 85/15 pass

Lear, I haven't ever agreed with much of what you said. Ever. But your guess, well I think it is spot on. I wish it wasn't, but I think you nailed it.

 

[GuppyWN]

An MEC should never send something out unless it's with a yes recommendation.

Holy ********************!

I agree with PCL. You don't pass your obligation onto the membership. Especially when by the time you do and it fails, you're too late to attempt to further polish the turd and are on your way to Arby's.

Man up and own it - either way.

This deal, however, is FAR too good for any Tranny to vote NO on.

Gup

 

[tico]

I must respectfully disagree with you on both points Gup....Some thing should only be decided by rank-and-file....and for many, not enough to change the outcome, but for many this whole deal is not a good deal.......

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Very disappointed with SWA management for thinking it's a fair deal, and with MC/MEC for delivering this deal. Even more disappointed with SW pilots. Voting NO.

 

[PCL_128]

Man up and own it - either way.

Agreed. We elect these people to not only act like leaders, but to actually be leaders. Passing on your responsibilities to your constituents is wrong. A governing body should never be a rubber stamp.

This deal, however, is FAR too good for any Tranny to vote NO on.

On this, of course, we disagree. The deal is a mess.

 

[N1kawotg]

If it's about money and benefits, why do we have to wait till april 1 for pay and up to 30 months for benefits?
With all the upgrades to SWA pilots till 2020 this is a total staple to ALL AT F/O's. What is fair about that? I doubt the MEC will even put this out for a vote. I am sorely disappointed. I was expecting something fair for all.
Pay comes and goes, seniority is forever.

Exactly -seniority is forever, so when a swa pilot wants the only thing positive in this deal for them-gaining seniority-they are ridiculed. Give them that big raise like you while improving their qol and more to their 401k, reduce their health care cost etc etc etc instead and bet most may take that deal. however, that wasn't offered. if you get to see it then vote no. SWA pilots are on property and on the list already, aai aren't. personally don't know if i'd risk that bad deal or not.

Also, you are waiting for pay apr 1 because of GK -the guy in charge of the money.