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The only thing that really matters is, when they eventually woke up, turned around and landed, was it on a runway or a taxiway? If it was a taxiway, their mission can be considered accomplished.
 
embpic1 said:
Is the CVR tied to the rotating beacon on the A320? I have a friend that was working the ramp that night and said the beacon was left on long after the arrived at the gate. I wonder if they were trying to flush the CVR.
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I have never seen an A320 with a rotating beacon. Anyone else on here ever seen a rotating beacon on an Airbus.

Seriously this crew was so far gone after the plane was stormed by the police the parking check was the last thing on their mind.
 
johnboy99 said:
I have never seen an A320 with a rotating beacon. Anyone else on here ever seen a rotating beacon on an Airbus.
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Semantics. You know what I meant.
 
This is not good for all of us, ladies and gents. Get ready for cameras in the cockpit with live feed.
 
After being here a few years, I can tell you that DAL pilots are not uptight. Most are very laid back and pragmatic. They do watch their game a little more when there are "outsiders" (OAL's) in the flight deck. These guys are a great group of men and women.

It is like the military. If you are an outsider, they will not let you see their true colors. It took being on the inside to realize that.

Now continue to flame away.
 
It’s about time the public learned how bad it has gotten in the aviation industry for the crews. This is just some of the fallout.

Pilots are stressed out more than ever, older, commuting more, holding down multiple careers just to make ends meet, flying more per month, and being paid less.

All the above makes for a lethal combination. Is anyone really surprised that pilots are making more and more mistakes such as landing on taxiways and falling asleep at the wheel?

The public’s head would spin if they knew the real numbers of pilots holding down second careers and doing multiple commutes just to go to work.

And imagine, guys still want to do transcon turns -- Yeah right!

AA767AV8TOR
 
Benjamin Dover said:
Could someone please explain this "wind check" that seems to always get mentioned on a Delta thread?
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The guys stuck at the regionals for marginal pay, crappy rules and shiny little jets that the senior folks at DAL/NWA let them have seem to think the original DAL guys ask for wind checks a lot on final approach. ;)
 
Benjamin Dover said:
Could someone please explain this "wind check" that seems to always get mentioned on a Delta thread?
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Simple. Every time I have a CA ask me to ask for one, it is to determine the "factor" we add to Ref speed. Once the Auto-Throttles are off we are required by Boeing to have it.

The "How Long is Final?" question is generally asked by guys in jets that have a hard time getting down. Also 210 KIAS is right above the speed at which we need to dirty up. Ergo, if it is going to be a 20 mile final there is no need to get dirty. We will keep it clean and come down slowly. Anything under seven or eight miles requires most of our jets to dirty up to make the base turn at seven or eight miles and below 4500 feet which is the altitude required by ATL Tracon.
 
How come no one is asking where they went to flight school? Are these guys PFTer's? Maybe this guys went through Gulfstream Academy? LOL
Where are all you that sh$t on low-time people. What's the excuse now? I bet the morons on the Airbus had like atleast 15,000 hours between the two of them. Come on guys if any regional crew would have done this or landed on a taxiway there would have been loooooooong thread about PFT and lowtime and blah blah blah. Some of you on this board are giving these guys a pass. Just think about that.
 
I think that, that information will be out there as well.

This flight deck probably had 15--20K hrs in it at a min.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
I think that, that information will be out there as well.

This flight deck probably had 15--20K hrs in it at a min.
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Good information to know. That means they should be well qualified to apply for their next flying job very soon. Doubt these guys will be back at Delta after the FAA gets done with them.
 
johnboy99 said:
Good information to know. That means they should be well qualified to apply for their next flying job very soon. Doubt these guys will be back at Delta after the FAA gets done with them.
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Nice attitude! Honesty will save the day. I am sure they know that now.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
Nice attitude! Honesty will save the day. I am sure they know that now.
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Would you not agree if your wife and two small kids were sitting in the back while this crew discussed "company policy".

You are right honesty will save the day. That is why these numbnuts shoud save taxpayers money and admit they were asleep or where ever because they were not in the cockpit.

They could have killed nearly 150 people so yes my attitude is nice because stupid stuff like this gives us all a black eye and unwanted press time on the 6pm news.
 
johnboy99 said:
Would you not agree if your wife and two small kids were sitting in the back while this crew discussed "company policy".

You are right honesty will save the day. That is why these numbnuts shoud save taxpayers money and admit they were asleep or where ever because they were not in the cockpit.

They could have killed nearly 150 people so yes my attitude is nice because stupid stuff like this gives us all a black eye and unwanted press time on the 6pm news.
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ACL65 and other mainline pilots feel differently when a regional does things like this....They aren't so quick to defend them...Yet another example of the double standard ....
 
The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.
 
The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away.
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It is a phenomena of the internet posting era from behaind a wall of supposed anonymity, if people had to put in their real names, you would find a great deal more civility and perhaps a great deal less conjecture.
 
RedRum said:
The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.
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RedRum...Welcome to our world...Those of us at the regionals have been hearing these "cat calls" for the past year from passengers AND OUR MAINLINE "brothers"...We have watched our union go on national TV and blame "experience levels at the regionals"...

Here's the difference between us and the mainline pilots that bash the regionals....We realize that ANYONE can screw up...The events of this week prove this isn't a "regional" thing...

As to the "cat calls" you are worried about...Don't worry about...You'll learn to laugh at them just as we have....
 
RedRum said:
The amount of ignorance on this forum is INCREDIBLE.

The thing that really surprises me is not that a couple of pilots may have fallen asleep. Even more surprising is the fact that pilots, who pretend to call themselves professional, come on here and ridicule other pilots when they screw up.

Do any of you "professionals" believe in kharma? What about trying to find out the truth instead of flaming away. Most good pilots I fly with will have a great landing and say it was lucky. Or they receive a compliment about something and give credit to the other guy. But somehow when some of you guys log onto your computers, you lose all sense of objectivity and start casting stones.

Whether or not it was Mesa, Delta, CO, UA, JB, etc... I just hope these guys were able to tell the truth and get this behind them. Does anyone think about the profession before their selfish needs? What about their families???

The next time one of you professionals hears a passenger make a cat call from the boarding area poking fun at whether or not you will be awake for the entire flight, I'd be willing to bet you would not find it funny at all.
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Have a look at the threads that were started after the Go! pilots fell asleep on their inter-island flight in Hawaii. Have a look at the Comair and Colgan crash threads, have a look at EVERY ******* thread that's ever been started in the wake of a regional crew's accident/incident and you'll find major pilots sinking the boot in and taking cheap shots about the regional pilots' experience levels, professionalism, age, education level... you name it, it's there.

What needs to be pointed out is that these sorts of things can happen to anybody and that maybe some of the major pilots with Chuck Yeager complexes should come down off their high horses and exercise a little bit of humility.
 
aussieflyboy said:
have a look at the threads that were started after the go! Pilots fell asleep on their inter-island flight in hawaii. Have a look at the comair and colgan crash threads, have a look at every ******* thread that's ever been started in the wake of a regional crew's accident/incident and you'll find major pilots sinking the boot in and taking cheap shots about the regional pilots' experience levels, professionalism, age, education level... You name it, it's there.

What needs to be pointed out is that these sorts of things can happen to anybody and that maybe some of the major pilots with chuck yeager complexes should come down off their high horses and exercise a little bit of humility.
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exactly!
 
aussieflyboy said:
Yeah, coz if these guys had been in sterile there's no way they'd have fallen asleep :rolleyes:

Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on the poor old grandpas - it was probably time for their afternoon nap...
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Those poor old grandpas are alive today, unlike the young guns (who actually did need a nap), who put the flaps up thereby creating an accelerated turn stall killing all onboard last winter in BUF, or taxiing out and taking off on the wrong runway in SDF like the younger, smarter, I know it all Yeagers comming up now.
 
Bluejob said:
Those poor old grandpas are alive today, unlike the young guns (who actually did need a nap), who put the flaps up thereby creating an accelerated turn stall killing all onboard last winter in BUF, or taxiing out and taking off on the wrong runway in SDF like the younger, smarter, I know it all Yeagers comming up now.
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They might be alive today, but by luck or design??

Just because there HAPPENED to not be anyone taxiing on the taxiway in ATL, and just because the NWA guys HAPPENED to wake up 150 nm east of MSP and not during the spiralling death plunge of a fuel exhausted Airbus somewhere over central Ontario, do you think that excuses their actions? Maybe next time they wouldn't be so lucky, just like the Comair and Colgan crews weren't so lucky.

Incidentally, I don't recall an incorrect runway being used in SDF any time recently... Refresh my memory?
 

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