Sleepy NWA pilots?

[CoolSidePillow]

This one will be very interesting. Everyone has closed their eyes for 15 mins or so. It actually helps. I have done it and so have guys I fly with. When I am PF I just take the radios when the other guy seems out. It actually makes me feel like solo flying and I get more alert. Odd time of day for both guys to be out cold though. Coming from the west coast it sounds like it was their first leg and maybe only leg of day. Also, the time of day is odd to be sleeping. Even with decent sleep, at certain times of the day you feel a bit groggy. Getting up at 430am with decent rest usually causes that tired feeling around 9 or 10. Then there is the late afternoon fatigue if you were up early with less sleep. Usually, a quick 10 or 15 with just eyes closed helps. As far as the "discussion" goes, everyone misses a call or two when talking. An hour? That is a tough one. Even if you were screaming at each other you still do it with ears and mouth. The eyes still work and those Nav displays arent easy to miss. You have top of descent cues and everything. Plus, I think most of us have the FMS set to a page that shows progress or some other screen that gives time of arrival or distance to go. That is how I judge when to get ATIS or gate info. The answers will come but for conversation and speculation talks I think they were out. It is not the first time that this has happened. Either way I think they will be cooked. With all the congressional stuff happening they will have to be made examples of. After the ATL taxi landing I think DAL will need to distance themselves as much as possible. I do not think airline or regs play into this one.

 

[GogglesPisano]

PF: "130 miles from destination."
PM: "Checks"

 

[ultrarunner]

Did these guys fly 187 out of MSP that day and were doing the turn, or did they originate that morning in SAN?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Did these guys fly 187 out of MSP that day and were doing the turn, or did they originate that morning in SAN?

They one legged it down the day before, 19 hour layover, and 188 was their first flight that day.

 

[PreContact]

Does the Bus have a crew alert warning system like the 757/767?

 

[contrail67]

1) they were sleeping
2) flew the extra 150 to CYA on the CVR

CASE CLOSED.

I doubt if that much thought went into flying an extra 150 miles to CYA.

Look, they missed MSP by 150 miles and it really does not matter why...they screwed up...just like when NWA missed the Rapid City airport a few years ago and landed at a military airport. No excuses...just screwed up.

 

[scoreboardII]

you folks do know they can easily extract data overwritten on a CVR by a factor of ten don't you???

 

[ultrarunner]

you folks do know they can easily extract data overwritten on a CVR by a factor of ten don't you???

No kidding? I didn't know that.

Ok, a factor of 10 based on the 30 minute loop will give them 300 minutes.

We'll either get the entire "heated discussion" or lots of zzzz's......

How many ACARS messages went out by the way?

 

[airplane wizard]

Maybe they weren't sleeping. Maybe they were poking each other in the a*s for the last hour of the trip?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Does the Bus have a crew alert warning system like the 757/767?

DL 757/767 aircraft don't have crew alert. I'm 99% sure the busses dont either.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Maybe they weren't sleeping. Maybe they were poking each other in the a*s for the last hour of the trip?



They were trying to get used to flying w/ the DAL guys!!!!

 

[climb2slow]

Does the Bus have a crew alert warning system like the 757/767?

No, no such luck. Just an insanely loud FA call buzzer...and as to acars...on our birds, no aural notification at all...just the ACARS MSG light on the screen.

 

[OPECJet]

Maybe they weren't sleeping. Maybe they were poking each other in the a*s for the last hour of the trip?



They were trying to get used to flying w/ the DAL guys!!!!

We have a winner!!!!!:beer:

 

[lowtimedriver]

Maybe they weren't sleeping. Maybe they were poking each other in the a*s for the last hour of the trip?

Now here is a plausible theory. Gives a new meaning to the term cockpit. :nuts:

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You know they weren't upside down by their track on Flightaware.com???

Perfect airmanship was because the darn airplane was on autopilot...

Says the hight time highly experienced navajo pilot!:laugh:

 

[Scope out RJ's]

"Delta 60 Atlanta Tower, cleared to land taxiway Echo."

Actually it was taxyway "M"

 

[PA31Driver]

Says the hight time highly experienced navajo pilot!:laugh:

Actually Mr. Sherlock Holmes, I haven't flown Navajos for about 6 years now...but carry on anyway.

 

[Bert Harbenson]

While we're throwing out speculation, anyone know if their extended track took them near DTW? Maybe they were doing a Detroit turn later in the rotation, looked at the wrong line and entered the wrong destination during preflight. If the fms gave you the standard not enough fuel warning--"we haven't loaded the winds yet, that will change.". Miss a handoff somewhere, get distracted and bingo. Somewhere past MSP one of them picks up the rotation to talk about new scheduling policies and--hey where are we??

 

[pilothouston123]

Here's what happened to me. Just got promoted to the gulfstream. Flying Hou-FLL co-pilot. I got in a arguemt with the captiain and told him to look down that looks like our airport. we were still at 430.
Center lost us or thought we were just passin through.

over flew by about 30 miles for spacing

 

[crj567]

Actually it was taxyway "M"

Does that make it O.K?

-Damn, you are a tool!