Sleepy NWA pilots?

[waveflyer]

This whole story falls under the 'who gives a f^ck' category. A distraction- that's it

 

[JoeMerchant]

This whole story falls under the 'who gives a f^ck' category. A distraction- that's it

Still feel that way?

 

[carl p]

Whenever a pilot is faced with a challenging situation, he/she should ask WWSD?

WHAT WOULD SULLY DO?

 

[bigbird]

They were sleeping!!

 

[lowtimedriver]

Go back to steam gauages and get rid of the FMS. That will keep everyone awake.

 

[satpak77]

I still don't know why they are making statements to media, etc. Where was their aviation lawyer at the NTSB interview, etc?

 

[Guppiedriver]

While we're throwing out speculation, anyone know if their extended track took them near DTW? Maybe they were doing a Detroit turn later in the rotation, looked at the wrong line and entered the wrong destination during preflight. If the fms gave you the standard not enough fuel warning--"we haven't loaded the winds yet, that will change.". Miss a handoff somewhere, get distracted and bingo. Somewhere past MSP one of them picks up the rotation to talk about new scheduling policies and--hey where are we??

I don't think this a plausible theory for a couple of reasons. First of all, you wouldn't fly over MSP enroute from SAN to DTW. Secondly, I am going to guess that Northwest uses data uplink. Uplink loads the departure and destination airports, enroute fixes (excluding sids, stars, and jet routes), and loads climb, cruise, and descent winds.

I think the David Letterman Top 10 Reasons are better than half of the theories on this board.

10. Bunch of fat guys seated on the right side of the plane made us vector east.
9. We get paid by the hour.
8. Mapquest always takes you the long way, am I right, people?
7. Tired of that show-off Sullenberger getting all the attention.
6. You try steering one of those airplanes after eight or nine cocktails.
5. Wanted to catch the end of the in-flight movie.
4. Activating autopilot and making occasional P.A. announcements is exhausting.
3. According to our map, we only missed our target by half an inch.
2. For a change, we decided to send luggage to the right city and lose the passengers.
1. Thought we saw balloon boy.

 

[rjpilot7667]

why is the rocket scientist FO giving media statements? Wouldnt ALPA Legal speed dial him and tell him to shut up?

Because in the Airline world FO's are part of the crew.

 

[satpak77]

Because in the Airline world FO's are part of the crew.

so the crew concept requires statements to CNN

gee, I first time I heard that

:laugh:

 

[GogglesPisano]

This just in ... Emergency revocation.

 

[ultrarunner]

This just in ... Emergency revocation.

Are you serious!!!!????

Ahh, I missed this tidbit this morning:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/27/airliner.fly.by/index.html

So I'm assuming the Emer revocation order just occurred?

 

[johnboy99]

This just in ... Emergency revocation.

True. As reported by the Communist News Network

 

[dondk]

which means a slam dunk termination case and a uphill grievance case. Even winning it with the SBA, you still have the guys without their tickets. Can't have one without the other.

Would have bet a suspension with a 709 ride and some serious time before seeing the inside of a cockpit. This way, NWA/DAL can remove them from the payroll tonight.

There has to be more to the story or it is pure public pressure/perception driving the revocation.

 

[boomlrd]

How old were they?

 

[airplane wizard]

both mid 50's iirc

 

[airplane wizard]

So, the Usair guy shoots his gun off midflight and doesn't lose his job, but these guys lose not only their jobs, but certificates for playing on their laptop??? Hmmmmm

 

[Amish RakeFight]

So, the Usair guy shoots his gun off midflight and doesn't lose his job, but these guys lose not only their jobs, but certificates for playing on their laptop??? Hmmmmm

Right... The laptop was playing mp3 lullabies.

 

[ultrarunner]

So, the Usair guy shoots his gun off midflight and doesn't lose his job, but these guys lose not only their jobs, but certificates for playing on their laptop??? Hmmmmm

No Wizard, my speculation is that the investigation to this point determined that the statements about laptop use and heated discussion were fabricated. And when you fabricate a story to a Federal investigator, you're toast!

Not that I am condoning how irresponsible the USAir FFDO was with his weapon....

 

[Sam Snead]

if it's true they can extract the CVR recording from over-written tape, then I predict that in about three weeks, the feds will approach the pilots with proof and they will confess.

If the feds can't extract, then the pilots will confess after they can't get their licenses or jobs back. 10 months. You heard it here first.

This from someone who fell asleep briefly multiple times between Rockland and BOS. Not on my leg of course.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yeah, I was thinking Sam the feds have already extracted the CVR and recovered more than 30 minutes, and that was the reason for the immediate revocation, as the extracted data showed they were snoozing.

Now, if that's the case, the CVR is now evidence in federal charges that may be levied against the pilots in which case it might be a while before we can read the transcript.