SkyWest

[SSDD]

For someone to say that Skywest has given no indication of impending furloughs is absolutely incredible. In fact, they have given every indication that if things don't change(Mesa shut down) there will be furloughs. They have been very diplomatic about it, but the warnings are there.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

For someone to say that Skywest has given no indication of impending furloughs is absolutely incredible. In fact, they have given every indication that if things don't change(Mesa shut down) there will be furloughs. They have been very diplomatic about it, but the warnings are there.

Agreed.

STFU about it now.

Thanks for being so civil about it. Now go stick your head back in the sand. Not acknowledging something will most definately make it go away. I'm done dealing with the childish name calling. I'm outta here.

 

[USCtrojan]

You guys bash SkyWest Pylot because he says he has an "inside source," and says to start making back up plans if you're a junior pilot at OO. Then he posts articles, backs up what he's saying with what your Company Reps are saying. As a result of this, you're a bunch of whiny crybabys when things don't go your way. Face it, this is the worst economic downturn since the 1930's. Times are tough. Deal with it, as every other airline IS.

Trojan

 

[JoeMerchant]

You guys bash SkyWest Pylot because he says he has an "inside source," and says to start making back up plans if you're a junior pilot at OO. Then he posts articles, backs up what he's saying with what your Company Reps are saying. As a result of this, you're a bunch of whiny crybabys when things don't go your way. Face it, this is the worst economic downturn since the 1930's. Times are tough. Deal with it, as every other airline IS.

Trojan

Hey Trojan...Now you are sounding like me...I know things are bad now....

 

[USCtrojan]

Hey Trojan...Now you are sounding like me...I know things are bad now....

LMAO, Joe! Things have only gotten better for ASA! And will continue to do so. This economy will turn around, who knows what then....Hyperinflation?

Trojan

 

[Goose Egg]

The point was made on 1/23/09 about the furlough potential in the Fall via SAPA update. Everyone who needs to know, knows already, as of three weeks ago. My backup plans are made. Old news. Really, really, nothing to see here.

If you start a thread on 2/9 with "inside info," you're either stirring the pot, or your info isn't as "inside" as you thought.

Could we please let this drop now?

-Goose

 

[IBNAV8R]

Dude: I don't take anything on here personally.

I'm seeing various posts on a couple of different forums. Guys are getting worked into a lather about something that likely won't happen. SkyWest has YET to furlough any pilot in 37 years. I trust they will do their level best to keep that from happening now. As I said, they know that a furlough costs far more than the money that might be saved. Fall is still nine months away. Get your S@#& in order, just in case, but don't lose sleep over something that may not happen.

To quote a favorite movie: "You can't change the wind, son. You steer your course. You trim your sails. And, you keep on going."

 

[Dubya]

My Skywest Insider says the bottom 80-100 at SKW are EMB120 guys/gals. He says there is no overstaffing on that end. So if you furlough 150, wouldn't there have to be significant retraining and domicile changes to cover those furloughed from the bottom?

Just my humble opinion, but I can't see how a furlough would make financial sense with this unless there were 400-500 cuts.

To fire up the training center, simulators, pull instructors back off line, pay for domicile changes...all would outweigh any savings made by furloughing 150-200.


W

 

[Goose Egg]

Dude: I don't take anything on here personally.

I'm seeing various posts on a couple of different forums. Guys are getting worked into a lather about something that likely won't happen. SkyWest has YET to furlough any pilot in 37 years. I trust they will do their level best to keep that from happening now. As I said, they know that a furlough costs far more than the money that might be saved. Fall is still nine months away. Get your S@#& in order, just in case, but don't lose sleep over something that may not happen.

To quote a favorite movie: "You can't change the wind, son. You steer your course. You trim your sails. And, you keep on going."

True dat, true dat.

-Goose

 

[doug_or]

To fire up the training center, simulators, pull instructors back off line, pay for domicile changes...all would outweigh any savings made by furloughing 150-200.


W

... in the short term. In the long term it doesn't make sense to pay so many pilots to sit around. They don't even have many first year FOs on first year pay anymore. There will be downgrades for some as well, so they're going to need to fire up the sims anyway. If nothing else it will give the instructors something more productive to do than constant line checks.

 

[ehaecker]

I am trying to be optimistic about the situation, but I am also a realist. I am making my backup plans. Stupid economy

 

[Andy Neill]

I think they will get something out by the end of the week.

That was posted a week ago. Do you have a new estimate or should we list you as overdue?

 

[belchfire]

To quote a favorite movie: "You can't change the wind, son. You steer your course. You trim your sails. And, you keep on going."

What movie is that from?

Something like that I would have remembered...

 

[Erlanger]

That was posted a week ago. Do you have a new estimate or should we list you as overdue?

Andy and all; here's the latest from SAPA.

FURLOUGH RUMORS

To be clear, there have been no discussions with the company regarding the need to furlough at this time. The company has repeatedly expressed their commitment to developing programs that will help reduce the number of pilots on the payroll to help address our overstaffing issue.

There has been a proposal discussed between SAPA and Flight Ops management to alter the furlough language in the Crewmember Policy Manual. These discussions were not convened by management, but were initiated by SAPA. During the development of the VLA, part-time, and other proposals, it was decided to try to improve and clarify our furlough language at the same time.

If you have heard rumors of the “F” word, it is possibly because of the discussions regarding the furlough language in the CPM.

When the language is finalized and the proposal signed, we will be passing it along.

 

[Bako Cap]

The company has repeatedly expressed their commitment to developing programs that will help reduce the number of pilots on the payroll to help address our overstaffing issue.

I am in the mood to call BS on the company. They have expressed the need to reduce the number of pilots for at least nine months. They have had plenty of time to figure out a policy for a reduction in work force. I am starting to believe that they do not desperately NEED VLAs, part time lines, or furloughs.

SAPA: The company is working an angle with our desperation, DO NOT CAVE on other proposals.

 

[i fly boxes]

guys just be thankful you work at a company that is taking every viable option to not furlough. Not many regionals are like that.

 

[Morning Wood]

I am in the mood to call BS on the company. They have expressed the need to reduce the number of pilots for at least nine months. They have had plenty of time to figure out a policy for a reduction in work force. I am starting to believe that they do not desperately NEED VLAs, part time lines, or furloughs.

SAPA: The company is working an angle with our desperation, DO NOT CAVE on other proposals.

Do you honestly think the company knows how long Midwest is going to be in business or how many airplanes are going to get pulled once the DL/NW merger is done?

 

[Bako Cap]

Do you honestly think the company knows how long Midwest is going to be in business or how many airplanes are going to get pulled once the DL/NW merger is done?

Not really, I was just typing out loud. I am curious about everyone dragging their feet on VLAs though.

 

[USC328]

FWIW, it sounds like SkyWest might be getting more flying out of SLC. The latest announcement from Delta is SLC-BNA, SLC-MKE, SLC-FAR, SLC-BIS, SLC-FSD, SLC-ELP all flown by SkyWest. (Looked up the flights on Delta.com)

They are also adding SLC-IND flown by mainline.

I didn't look into the details, but they also announced more daily flights to following city pairs: SLC-SEA, SLC-LAX and a few others. I think SkyWest does SLC-SEA, but not sure if the extra flight will be on SkyWest.

I fly the MKE system and loads have been terribly low. How long will Midwest last? I'm asking the same question. As long as the company is dragging their feet on VLOA, I see that as a good thing. They may see the need to keep the staffing as is for some reason. Otherwise, my opinion would be that they would be attempting to shed ASAP. I hear it's only SAPA trying to get furloughs or VLOA to get credit values back up. But again, that is just the rumor mill.

Fly Safe!!

 

[rtmcfi]

FWIW, it sounds like SkyWest might be getting more flying out of SLC. The latest announcement from Delta is SLC-BNA, SLC-MKE, SLC-FAR, SLC-BIS, SLC-FSD, SLC-ELP all flown by SkyWest. (Looked up the flights on Delta.com)

They are also adding SLC-IND flown by mainline.

I didn't look into the details, but they also announced more daily flights to following city pairs: SLC-SEA, SLC-LAX and a few others. I think SkyWest does SLC-SEA, but not sure if the extra flight will be on SkyWest.

I fly the MKE system and loads have been terribly low. How long will Midwest last? I'm asking the same question. As long as the company is dragging their feet on VLOA, I see that as a good thing. They may see the need to keep the staffing as is for some reason. Otherwise, my opinion would be that they would be attempting to shed ASAP. I hear it's only SAPA trying to get furloughs or VLOA to get credit values back up. But again, that is just the rumor mill.

Fly Safe!!

The extra flying is your typical summer schedule. Those flights are seasonal. If SkyWest furloughs, it will most likely be in the fall, after all of those flights are pulled dwn for the winter.

I love how Delta touts these "new" flights as being due to the merger. How were those flights being done pre-merger?