Skywest to phase out ASA. Could this be true

[viper548]

Being a scab will look great on your mainline application. I'm sure the interviewer will totally accept your reasoning.

I'm sure being fired from a 121 carrier for failure to show for work would look good on a mainline application too

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just a little difference between westair or whatever, never even heard of them and us, just a little. But if that is what makes you sleep better at night is thinking you are getting just ASA assets and then asking the pilots to start over again at the bottom of your seniority list, then sleep well my friends.

Well Jettool,
You obviously are not a student of history, if you were you would know this is not what I want, but a scenario based upon knowledge of SKYW, history and some personal knowledge of how SKYW mgmt. operates based upon personal experience. We are all labor, mainline, regional, ASA, SKYW, and as such need to know our opponents(mgmt). I would not be lulled into a sense of complacency that comes from the SKYW kool-aid dispenser, many here have gotten the brain freeze and we all are paying for it with this T/A. I am not asking anyone to start anywhere, blend, merge doh, staple most will be junior to me so I do not have a cat in this fight. Stay awake, watch closely if any of this stuff starts to happen do what you gotta do to protect yourself.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Whoa boy, You are a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest, INC. The same as ASA!
You boys keep telling us to watch out, I would not want to be working for ASA, well lets reverse this, what is to stop Skywest, INC from transferring assets to ASA! I will tell you, ONE LIST. Get ALPA on the property over there and lets prevent the whipsaw before it happens , it can happen to you guys too, NOT JUST ASA. You are just as vulnerable as we are.

PBR that was a bunch of wacked out math. What happens when people start year two of longevity, do you fire them and start over as well. That was pretty stupid!

Jettool,
Well letsee,
$19.02(SKYW newhire pay) X 800(average yearly hrs flown) X 2000(aprox number of pilots). If you place $35.00 and multiply that is where those whacked out numbers came from, this was just a simplistic exercise to illustrate how SKYW mgmt thinks. As to your year two analagy, SKYW mgmt made the longivity vs widget statment in print, the company news paper. If you are too dense to listen and digest info as it comes across your screen you are going to have an interesting career. Perhaps reading Flying The Line Pt.1&2 would be a start. I have just started Pt. 2 again after re-reading Pt.1 a few times in the last few years, yeah thats right, I gotem the workin at an ALPA airline. Jerry and the boys make Mr Cord look like a rank amateur. Do not make the mistake lots here make you, are not "equal" to the SLC chosen ones, neither am I, but I know that already.
PBR

 

[Palerider957]

I'm sure being fired from a 121 carrier for failure to show for work would look good on a mainline application too

Listen homie, that's what sick time and FMLA are all about---there are a hundred reasons not to go to work, if they push you you call the FAA (I almost said ALPA attorney, but I guess that doesn't apply). ASA pilots have had to put up with more shi.t than Sky West pilots could BEGIN TO IMAGINE, and have had to do it for YEARS!

I think it would have been nice for ASA pilots to get at least lip service that SKYW pilots would support ASA's efforts to gain a new and fair contract--only three years in the making and one-third done.

The SKYW pilots are going to get a crash course in Molotov Cocktail production from the ASA pilots, I only hope you are up to the lesson........

 

[viper548]

I support ASA getting a new contract in a timely manner. I'm just sick of hearing how you guys are gonna burn the company down if you don't get what you want. If it came down to you guys striking and SKW wanting me to fly your route, I'd take MIL leave. I'm sure there are many pilots that would take leave to avoid flying struck work, but I don't think you can expect that from everyone.

 

[viper548]

Jettool,
Well letsee,
$19.02(SKYW newhire pay) X 800(average yearly hrs flown) X 2000(aprox number of pilots). If you place $35.00 and multiply that is where those whacked out numbers came from, this was just a simplistic exercise to illustrate how SKYW mgmt thinks.

You also have to take into account the training costs for these new pilots. the company claims it's $30K

 

[maddog805]

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[Palerider957]

I support ASA getting a new contract in a timely manner. I'm just sick of hearing how you guys are gonna burn the company down if you don't get what you want. If it came down to you guys striking and SKW wanting me to fly your route, I'd take MIL leave. I'm sure there are many pilots that would take leave to avoid flying struck work, but I don't think you can expect that from everyone.

ASA pilots are tired of their ulcers, headaches, and high blood pressure; much caused by the companies unrestricted warfare on the current contract. A few days ago WH (probably the second most hated and worthless employee at ASA) gets a major promotion, and BL (an arrogant, self-centered, bureaucrat) is promoted to Presidente.......none of this was well recieved by the ASA pilot group, and quickly killed any thoughts of a honeymoon with SKYW management.

I appreciate your thoughts of taking mil leave to avoid flying struck work. And no, I know not everyone could do that. Even within the ranks of ASA there would be a handful of scabs (I've spoken with at least three POS's at ASA who would probably scab)....but that's life, they'll have to live with their choice.

 

[viper548]

. Even within the ranks of ASA there would be a handful of scabs (I've spoken with at least three POS's at ASA who would probably scab)....but that's life, they'll have to live with their choice.

I heard we had a FO leave for G0-jets becuase of the quick upgrade.

 

[SnowBoardBum]

I've been here 4 years, am nowhere near upgrade and will lose my house and most of my belongings if that happened!!

That would suck if you got s. canned. I wouldnt feel sorry for you though. If you lose your house and most of your belongings thats your own damn fault.
I work for Skywest and I really dont give a s. if pilots at my airline lose their job or your airline lose their job. Thats life, its not fair.
If you dont know by now that this industry is unstable, and you rely on an airline as your main source of income, well again thats your own damn fault.

Bum

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You also have to take into account the training costs for these new pilots. the company claims it's $30K

I do not have the companys copy of the contracts with UAL and DAL, but I think that the training costs are covered, but I digress, the exercise was an illustration. I guess even my sharpest Crayolas will not work their magic here.
I will say good luck, your are gonna need it.
PBR

 

[everyonedoa360]

Nice....You ASA boys are saying so not so nice things here about the company that bought you, I can't see why they would want to replace you. But I'll be sure not to come to work to support a group here telling me about "Molotov Cocktail production from the ASA pilots" they plan on giving me.

No worry, UAL and DL will be hiring again, I heard 2012 looks good.

 

[Russ]

Palerider
I can listen to a line pilot vent or I can look to past history for what I believe ASA will do. I don't see the militancy you would like to see. Take the finger off the transmit switch for a moment.

 

[hbrow15]

Whoa boy, You are a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest, INC. The same as ASA!
You boys keep telling us to watch out, I would not want to be working for ASA, well lets reverse this, what is to stop Skywest, INC from transferring assets to ASA! I will tell you, ONE LIST. Get ALPA on the property over there and lets prevent the whipsaw before it happens , it can happen to you guys too, NOT JUST ASA. You are just as vulnerable as we are.

PBR that was a bunch of wacked out math. What happens when people start year two of longevity, do you fire them and start over as well. That was pretty stupid!

Jehtplane,
you are right in that they are a subsidiary of Skywest Inc, and they are just as prone to losing assets as ASA but if they were to transfer assets I would think they would tranfer to the non-union carrier.

 

[Palerider957]

Palerider
I can listen to a line pilot vent or I can look to past history for what I believe ASA will do. I don't see the militancy you would like to see. Take the finger off the transmit switch for a moment.

Russ, I appreciate your comments. I don't "want" militant acts--truly. I simply don't know any other way for the pilot group to get the attention of management. I think ASA pilots would have loved to create a good working relationship with SKYW management--good charma has lacked at ASA for many, many years. People were really hoping for a breath of fresh air with the SKYW purchase, instead we have dumba$$ Willie, and Joe Delta (Brian) promoted. This was a golden chance to SKYW to work things out (erradicate the top of ASA mgmt.)...they missed it.

As ASA pilots are backed up against a wall, the reaction will simply be "fight or flight." Given that choice, I hope they fight.

 

[Tomct]

PinkPuss...you are an idiot! Waste of space!

 

[Bluto]

But I'll be sure not to come to work to support a group here telling me about "Molotov Cocktail production from the ASA pilots" they plan on giving me.

Dude, you really should think before you type. Flying anyone's struck work is not just career suicide, it's also fundamentally wrong. SkyWest was very understanding when pilots were concerned about flying struck work during the Comair strike. We as pilots need to be sure they understand that we will not be flying struck work at ASA either. Think about what scabbing would do to the bargaining position at ASA. Would you want someone doing that to you when you are negotiating? There's a reason scabs enjoy such a high level of disdain.

 

[everyonedoa360]

"Bluto - SkyWest was very understanding when pilots were concerned about flying struck work during the Comair strike"

What a joke, I guess that is why I have a few thousand hours in COMAIR planes. In fact I remember when one Skywest pilot did not want to do that first flight into comair land and the company told him something along the lines, don't show up to work ever again if you don't do this flight.

Perhaps, you look at the FACTS before you type! Dude!

And since I think your a Skywest pilot, play your hand with no union and hold a ASA pilots hand in the line. You won't be employed when ASA comes back to work. WE HAVE NO UNION, You can't NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK WITHOUT A UNION, the company has ALL THE RIGHTS, you have none. The ASA pilots have a right to not cross the line, you don't, dude!

 

[CheeseHead13]

"Bluto - SkyWest was very understanding when pilots were concerned about flying struck work during the Comair strike"

What a joke, I guess that is why I have a few thousand hours in COMAIR planes. In fact I remember when one Skywest pilot did not want to do that first flight into comair land and the company told him something along the lines, don't show up to work ever again if you don't do this flight.

Perhaps, you look at the FACTS before you type! Dude!

And since I think your a Skywest pilot, play your hand with no union and hold a ASA pilots hand in the line. You won't be employed when ASA comes back to work. WE HAVE NO UNION, You can't NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK WITHOUT A UNION, the company has ALL THE RIGHTS, you have none. The ASA pilots have a right to not cross the line, you don't, dude!

everyonedoa306...If you do what you say you will do you will find yourself on the master scab list. Hope you're planning on retiring at Skywest because that is where your aviation career will end.

 

[Texx]

Do you have to be a member of a union to be a scab?

No. Would anyone, anyone like a copy of the "Black List"?

 

[Puck Mugger]

I'm sure being fired from a 121 carrier for failure to show for work would look good on a mainline application too

Mainline application....that's a good one.

 

[atrdriver]

I bet you'd have a much better chance of being considered for a mainline job after having been fired for refusing to fly struck work than you would having done it.

 

[jehtplane]

Jehtplane.....you're a moron. You consistantly post stupidity throughout this website.

All though this situation doesn't involve me directly, I find it hard not to form opinions. In the SKW pilot groups defense, WHAT HAPPENS IS NOT GOING TO BE THIER DECISION!!! Quit blaming the pilot group of SKW for your (ASA) tummy aches! Pilots wont play any more of a roll in management decisions than gate agents or rampers.

SKY pilots are scabs? They have a job to do, that they signed up to do, to feed the families they are responsible for. Get off their backs! You're the morons wanting to possibly give up your jobs so you can strike. Who has the brains here.

ATR....you're a lost cause too.

Is that the best you could do? Enjoy your 1.2% payraise. Who is slapping who in the face?

 

[jehtplane]

Well Jettool,
You obviously are not a student of history, if you were you would know this is not what I want, but a scenario based upon knowledge of SKYW, history and some personal knowledge of how SKYW mgmt. operates based upon personal experience. We are all labor, mainline, regional, ASA, SKYW, and as such need to know our opponents(mgmt). I would not be lulled into a sense of complacency that comes from the SKYW kool-aid dispenser, many here have gotten the brain freeze and we all are paying for it with this T/A. I am not asking anyone to start anywhere, blend, merge doh, staple most will be junior to me so I do not have a cat in this fight. Stay awake, watch closely if any of this stuff starts to happen do what you gotta do to protect yourself.
PBR

jettool, did you ask somebody for help with that one?