Skywest to phase out ASA. Could this be true

[LDavid]

If memory serves, didn't TWA do extremely well after they were bought by AMR?

 

[jehtplane]

Unfortunately, SkyWest has already been down this road before and it worked beautifully for management. At that time, (1998) SkyWest bought WestAir's assets and left the pilots to fend for themselves on the streets. Of course, a large number of those pilots were re-hired at SkyWest, as new-hires. The net result was you had the exact same pilots flying the exact same airplanes, only they started over on the bottom of the seniority list, making new-hire wages.

Just a little difference between westair or whatever, never even heard of them and us, just a little. But if that is what makes you sleep better at night is thinking you are getting just ASA assets and then asking the pilots to start over again at the bottom of your seniority list, then sleep well my friends.

 

[jehtplane]

If memory serves, didn't TWA do extremely well after they were bought by AMR?

Flame

 

[Tomct]

Some of these people at Skywest are making some very stupid comments!

Jetplane...you may have something there! The skywest crews could be swung the other way, who knows. One thing is for sure, there will definately be a whipsaw unless skywest puts ALPA or some other union on property and get these lists merged!

Remember guys....it could happen to you just as easily as US!!!!

 

[79%N1]

You SKW guys make yourselves sound like the biggest bunch of job-poaching whore$ I have ever heard. If it came to a vote, you would vote me out of my job in a heartbeat to get a couple more 70 seaters and get your 15 month upgrade. Meanwhile, I've been here 4 years, am nowhere near upgrade and will lose my house and most of my belongings if that happened!! GLAD TO BE ABOARD! With friends like you guys.............

 

[ASAFOE120]

I have to say that I was feeling pretty good about being part of the Skywest family until I started reading this thread. Do the majority of Skywest pilots want management to do away with ASA so they can get our planes and gates? I hope not. Please tell me that some of yall are glad that we're here and want to make the best of our situation!!!

ASAFO

 

[rtmcfi]

Easy fellas......
I don't think anyone at SkyWest wants your jobs, planes, bases, anything. The folks at SkyWest simply don't want to go backwards. Hopefully, you can all move ahead. I hope ASA gets the contract they deserve, and that the SkyWest people end up with something similar. In order for this to happen, SkyWest is going to need to get a union, pronto.

 

[79%N1]

Easy fellas......
I don't think anyone at SkyWest wants your jobs, planes, bases, anything. The folks at SkyWest simply don't want to go backwards. Hopefully, you can all move ahead. I hope ASA gets the contract they deserve, and that the SkyWest people end up with something similar. In order for this to happen, SkyWest is going to need to get a union, pronto.

Not what I'm hearing.........All I hear is "I want mine" and the underlying glee that SKYW may take ASA's assets. 'Yea, me!!!!!!!! I'll upgrade in 1 year!!!! Sorry, but in my book, thats dispicable.

 

[Yank McCobb]

All I hear is "I want mine" ... 'Yea, me!!!!!!!! I'll upgrade in 1 year!!!! Sorry, but in my book, thats dispicable.

Welcome to today's world. It is not just the airlines or the regionals or even the "upgrade, upgrade, upgrade" myopia that nearly EVERY regional FO suffers from.

It is simply a reflection of the "gotta have it and gotta have it now...me, my, mine" attitude of GenX.

 

[dmbfarmer]

I have to say that I was feeling pretty good about being part of the Skywest family until I started reading this thread. Do the majority of Skywest pilots want management to do away with ASA so they can get our planes and gates? I hope not. Please tell me that some of yall are glad that we're here and want to make the best of our situation!!!

ASAFO

All yall are welcome at SkyWest, having flown with several members of the "family", I haven't met anyone that wants to take your jobs and steal from your plate. We are in the works to vote ALPA on the property and if it happens (I hope the hell it does) we can work more easily together. It doesn't have to be a blood bath nobody wants that. We all need to be level headed and think long term for EVERYONE. It's going to get worse before it gets better, but we can all make it better if we can become one. (That sounds kinda angelic I think I heard singing and saw the heavens open.) The point is the majority of us at SkyWest are level headed and see past the flame. We hope your pilot group feels the same. Give us a chance to do the right thing. If we don't you have every right to rape and pillage.
dmbfarmer
yes Im dumb and I farm, but that might be obvious to everyone else!

Ps I have a friend that works for ASA, will you help me find him? You can PM me if your willing. Thanks

 

[RocketDog]

Just a little difference between westair or whatever, never even heard of them and us, just a little. But if that is what makes you sleep better at night is thinking you are getting just ASA assets and then asking the pilots to start over again at the bottom of your seniority list, then sleep well my friends.

Jehtplane,

WestAir was a typical airline in that they were successful, they started ACA, became a very large regional, they were regional airline of the year + - 15 years ago, and today no one remembers who they were. I feel it is this short-term memory why history repeats itself in this business.

Personally, I've lost two jobs - one at the regionals and one at the majors due to no fault of my own and can tell you firsthand that the sting of starting over as a new-hire is quite painful. That's why I am hoping you and the rest of the ASA group doesn't have to experience this.

 

[rtmcfi]

Not what I'm hearing.........All I hear is "I want mine" and the underlying glee that SKYW may take ASA's assets. 'Yea, me!!!!!!!! I'll upgrade in 1 year!!!!

Where are you hearing this?

Sorry, but in my book, thats dispicable

I couldn't agree more. I think (hope) everyone finds that atrocious.

 

[everyonedoa360]

I don’t think any Skywest pilot want to advance over ASA, but sadly it’s not up to the pilots at Skywest. We will have NO say in the matter. But I think it’s a real possibility that some of the ASA planes will be slowly brought into the Skywest world.

I also think the company will let you boys go on strike (if it comes to that in your contact talks) and then have Skywest pilots fill in the open holes. As well as the few ASA pilots that will cross your line. Then over sometime, the striking ASA pilots might be told to hit the road, we (Skywest) have enough pilots to cover the flying. I’m not saying it’s going to happen and I hope it does not happen this way, but it could!

It also severs Skywest well in the fact they have now gotten rid of the ASA union and it tells the Skywest pilots about to vote for a union that perhaps we (management) can deal with a union better then we (pilots) thought.

I don’t know, but there are a LOT or reserve pilots in the Skywest system right. And we seem to be running a lot of classes. We (Skywest) are only getting a few more UAL planes, why do we have so many pilots setting at home, and why so many in class right now?

I don’t know, but were going to find out.

 

[Texx]

Not what I'm hearing.........All I hear is "I want mine" and the underlying glee that SKYW may take ASA's assets. 'Yea, me!!!!!!!! I'll upgrade in 1 year!!!! Sorry, but in my book, thats dispicable.

I recall another airline, CMR, that their "junior pilots" pushed thru a LOA with pay cuts to get more airplanes on their property so "they", the junior pilots, could upgrade quicker. You see where they are now. Look at the Dec sch out of JFK and CVG.

I would suggest at this point, with the Skywest pilots and their company proposal, that the ASA and Skywest pilots take a step backwards and look at the end game "For All The Pilots Involved." The only way to win is for the 2 work groups to work together.

 

[viper548]

I don’t know, but there are a LOT or reserve pilots in the Skywest system right. And we seem to be running a lot of classes. We (Skywest) are only getting a few more UAL planes, why do we have so many pilots setting at home, and why so many in class right now?
I don’t know, but were going to find out.

We get a lot of planes in Jan + Feb, plus management is saying they'd like to be able to award vacation time during the holiday season.

 

[Puck Mugger]

I don’t think any Skywest pilot want to advance over ASA, but sadly it’s not up to the pilots at Skywest. We will have NO say in the matter. But I think it’s a real possibility that some of the ASA planes will be slowly brought into the Skywest world.

I also think the company will let you boys go on strike (if it comes to that in your contact talks) and then have Skywest pilots fill in the open holes. As well as the few ASA pilots that will cross your line. Then over sometime, the striking ASA pilots might be told to hit the road, we (Skywest) have enough pilots to cover the flying. I’m not saying it’s going to happen and I hope it does not happen this way, but it could!

It also severs Skywest well in the fact they have now gotten rid of the ASA union and it tells the Skywest pilots about to vote for a union that perhaps we (management) can deal with a union better then we (pilots) thought.

I don’t know, but there are a LOT or reserve pilots in the Skywest system right. And we seem to be running a lot of classes. We (Skywest) are only getting a few more UAL planes, why do we have so many pilots setting at home, and why so many in class right now?

I don’t know, but were going to find out.

Is English a second language for you?

 

[everyonedoa360]

Puck, YES!

Thanks for your point of view. And looking at your past posts, you have a nice way with words yourself. Keep up the good work pucky boy.

 

[jehtplane]

I don’t think any Skywest pilot want to advance over ASA, but sadly it’s not up to the pilots at Skywest. We will have NO say in the matter. But I think it’s a real possibility that some of the ASA planes will be slowly brought into the Skywest world.

I also think the company will let you boys go on strike (if it comes to that in your contact talks) and then have Skywest pilots fill in the open holes. As well as the few ASA pilots that will cross your line. Then over sometime, the striking ASA pilots might be told to hit the road, we (Skywest) have enough pilots to cover the flying. I’m not saying it’s going to happen and I hope it does not happen this way, but it could!

It also severs Skywest well in the fact they have now gotten rid of the ASA union and it tells the Skywest pilots about to vote for a union that perhaps we (management) can deal with a union better then we (pilots) thought.

I don’t know, but there are a LOT or reserve pilots in the Skywest system right. And we seem to be running a lot of classes. We (Skywest) are only getting a few more UAL planes, why do we have so many pilots setting at home, and why so many in class right now?

I don’t know, but were going to find out.

Porbably the same reason that ASA has reserves and people in training. I like how you people think that you are immune to the transfer of assets. You are a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest, INC just like ASA is, and I feel pretty confident that you do not have 1700 pilots on reserve ready to cover ASA's flying if we ever strike. And you will not see one ASA pilot cross the picket line if that ever happens, that was an insult. You know there is a rule in baseball when you have a 12-0 lead, you don't throw pitches at the players on the team that is down, that is a quick way to wake their bats up!

 

[jehtplane]

We get a lot of planes in Jan + Feb, plus management is saying they'd like to be able to award vacation time during the holiday season.

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You don't have vacations during the holidays?

 

[everyonedoa360]

Jehtplane,

I don't think 1700 pilots are flying for ASA as I type, do you? And I'm not saying that I, or we as Skywest pilots want this to happen! I'm not throwing any balls at you dude, calm down.

I'm not saying it's going to happen.