Skywest to phase out ASA. Could this be true

[Puck Mugger]

Jehtplane,

I don't think 1700 pilots are flying for ASA as I type, do you?

I'm not saying it's going to happen.

About 1750 right now. Give or take.

 

[everyonedoa360]

So..... 1750 are in the AIR as I type, WOW. Your right. We could not cover 1750 on a day by day job. But perhaps you have missed my point.

 

[Puck Mugger]

So..... 1750 are in the AIR as I type, WOW. Your right. We could not cover 1750 on a day by day job. But perhaps you have missed my point.

I guess you are right because I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Smacktard]

Besides, that wouldn't be fair to the current SkyWest employees. "Our company is doing great so we bought your company...only now I just slid down 287 spots on the seniority list. I was going to upgrade next year now I'm another 3 years away." All that would do is created mucho resentment towards the ASA guys/gals and it would be terrible for overall company morale. You don't want to alienate your current employees who have made your airline what it is today.

I would think the 1.2% pay increase that managment is offering you would take precedence over little ole ASA. Why don't you guys grow a sack and do something that helps yourselves and everyone else involved. Quit salivating over ASA and get yur own sh!t straight!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Unfortunately, SkyWest has already been down this road before and it worked beautifully for management. At that time, (1998) SkyWest bought WestAir's assets and left the pilots to fend for themselves on the streets. Of course, a large number of those pilots were re-hired at SkyWest, as new-hires. The net result was you had the exact same pilots flying the exact same airplanes, only they started over on the bottom of the seniority list, making new-hire wages.

And a quick fact check reveals this post to be in the Bravo Sierra category.

True SkyWest bought a few aircraft and a truly lovely FTD from Mesa which already swallowed Westair by then but the ASA situation is totally different. Mesa got fired by UAL in 97 so the flying being performed by Westair went away. Talk to some pilots that flew for Westair.

This time around it's an acquisition which is not even remotely close to the Westair deal.

 

[atrdriver]

I also think the company will let you boys go on strike (if it comes to that in your contact talks) and then have Skywest pilots fill in the open holes. As well as the few ASA pilots that will cross your line. Then over sometime, the striking ASA pilots might be told to hit the road, we (Skywest) have enough pilots to cover the flying. I’m not saying it’s going to happen and I hope it does not happen this way, but it could!

So you are saying that you would have no problem flying struck work? Forgive me if I mistook what you stated, but it seems to me that would make you ____...you fill in the word. Great way to make friends.

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Just a little difference between westair or whatever, never even heard of them and us, just a little. But if that is what makes you sleep better at night is thinking you are getting just ASA assets and then asking the pilots to start over again at the bottom of your seniority list, then sleep well my friends.

I know some westair guys and they hate Skywest (skypest as they call it). They lost their jobs just as RocketDog said and some did get hired back on at Skywest(as new hires) and others wouldn't give them the satisfaction!

 

[MaceyHold]

Honest question, could SkyWest do that with the 15 year agreement that came with the sale of ASA, or would it not make any difference?

ACA had a 10 year agreement, signed in the late 90's, with both UAL and DAL...Seems there is always an out.

 

[homerjdispatch]

nevermind

 

[everyonedoa360]

atrdriver...Last I checked I don't have a union, so.... IN NO WAY I'm I OR ANY Skywest pilot a scab! You got that! I voted for the last union and I will vote for the next one, but if I don't show up for work, I won't be employed anymore.

Calling me and my fellow skywest pilots scabs is also a "great way to make friends" See ya on the bottom of the list!

 

[shamrock]

Do you have to be a member of a union to be a scab?

 

[atrdriver]

atrdriver...Last I checked I don't have a union, so.... IN NO WAY I'm I OR ANY Skywest pilot a scab! You got that! I voted for the last union and I will vote for the next one, but if I don't show up for work, I won't be employed anymore.

Calling me and my fellow skywest pilots scabs is also a "great way to make friends" See ya on the bottom of the list!

Well, I didn't use the word now, did I? And last I checked, linecrossers are non union. If they were union they wouldn't be crossing the line to begin with. That's in any industry. And I guess if flying struck work is the way you get to keep your job that tells me something. Personally I wouldn't do it, and I would hope that most of your pilots wouldn't either.

 

[CheeseHead13]

I also think the company will let you boys go on strike (if it comes to that in your contact talks) and then have Skywest pilots fill in the open holes.

everyonedoa360...I was just wondering what YOUR definition of a scab is???

 

[bailout]

OK, all thats nice, but the sale contract had provisions in it, like 90% of all DCI flying out of the ATL must be ASA. Kind of hard to do if ASA "goes away."

 

[Gobi Gred]

everyonedoa360,

If you cross a picket line or fly struck work you are scab. Period. Flying for a non union company has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately that is one of things that stinks about flying for a non union airline is that you are at the mercy of the company in those type of situations. Personally, I would rather be unemployed or working at Home Depot, Best Buy, etc. than cross a picket line or fly struck work. Being labeled a scab is career suicide not to mention I would have trouble looking in the mirror every morning.

 

[bvt1151]

Do you have to be a member of a union to be a scab?

Negative, Ghostrider. In fact, most scabs are non-union.

 

[bvt1151]

OK, all thats nice, but the sale contract had provisions in it, like 90% of all DCI flying out of the ATL must be ASA. Kind of hard to do if ASA "goes away."

Not quite the whole truth. The contract also says that at any time Skywest may transfer any number of aircraft from ASA and still be within the terms of the contract as long as there is no interruption of service. This preempts your statement to include all Skywest/ASA flying out of ATL.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I know some westair guys and they hate Skywest (skypest as they call it). They lost their jobs just as RocketDog said and some did get hired back on at Skywest(as new hires) and others wouldn't give them the satisfaction!

Funny but the Westair guys still working for SkyWest don't seem to harbor any resentment. SkyWest did not have an obligation to hire the Westair guys after picking up the UAL flying that Mesa lost due to being a crappy provider. Yet SkyWest management did the right thing and reached out to those that were furloughed and offered them a job. I'm unclear on exactly why anyone feels those pilots were entitled to violate SkyWest seniority. SkyWest did not acquire another airline or operating certificate. They simply put in a successful bid for UAL flying and got the business.

The first thing you need to learn is that we as pilot groups don't own or control the flying. When Kitty Hawk lost the USPS contract to FedEx what do you think the response would have been from FedExALPA if Kitty Hawk pilots asked for a job and a seniority number somewhere other than the bottom of the list? How is that situation any different from SKYW/Westair?

Codeshare partners dispense the flying. Sometimes the flying gets taken away. The regional carrier furloughs pilots. It's ugly at times but that's the nature of the business. Junior guys lose at one company and gain at the other. It's a crap shoot.

Now the ASA deal is a whole different situation. ASA pilots have contractual rights in the event of a merger. Should they choose to pursue a single carrier status or if management decides to integrate, ASA pilots will have some say in the integration. If SKYW pilots are ALPA at the time of integration then the 2 MEC's will meet and try to formulate a plan that complies with the ALPA merger manual. If no agreement is reached it will go to a mediator.

 

[pinkbush]

Jehtplane.....you're a moron. You consistantly post stupidity throughout this website.

All though this situation doesn't involve me directly, I find it hard not to form opinions. In the SKW pilot groups defense, WHAT HAPPENS IS NOT GOING TO BE THIER DECISION!!! Quit blaming the pilot group of SKW for your (ASA) tummy aches! Pilots wont play any more of a roll in management decisions than gate agents or rampers.

SKY pilots are scabs? They have a job to do, that they signed up to do, to feed the families they are responsible for. Get off their backs! You're the morons wanting to possibly give up your jobs so you can strike. Who has the brains here.

ATR....you're a lost cause too.

 

[Palerider957]

atrdriver...Last I checked I don't have a union, so.... IN NO WAY I'm I OR ANY Skywest pilot a scab! You got that! I voted for the last union and I will vote for the next one, but if I don't show up for work, I won't be employed anymore.

Calling me and my fellow skywest pilots scabs is also a "great way to make friends" See ya on the bottom of the list!

Being a scab will look great on your mainline application. I'm sure the interviewer will totally accept your reasoning.