SKYWEST to PAY 4.8 MILLION FOR MOVE

[rtmcfi]

I applied a few months ago, and even talked to the girl down in St. George who is in charge of hiring, no reponse, no letter, no interview. I guess because i've flown every airplane skywest has makes me too qualified. Or they just dont like A.S.A.

Try again....

I don't think SkyWest has been hiring much recently, but judging from posts on here, that is about to change. You would breeze through ground school, and they are paying during the new hires now. First year pay would suck again, but so would a commute. SkyWest would do well to offer an olive branch of sorts to the ASA guys that want to stay in SLC. Good luck to ya!

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Scarlet, Tomct, and Adamsworld are definately not representative of the ASA group. " Shut the dang thing down!" Adams very mature solution to this problem.

The other two are probably relatively junior FO's who see a chance to exploit a more junior seniority to their advantage.

A percentage based merger is THE ONLY equitable way here. For you too junior guys this means that if your in the lower 20% at ASA your butt is in the lower 20% of a combined pilot roster.

Please explain how that's not "Fair"..

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Dave, you're gonna have to remember that adage about wrestling with a pig in the mud with some of these guys.

 

[atlcrashpad]

atlcrashpad,

I didn't say it was going to happen. I was just trying to point out why DOH integration is patently absurd. I'm not sure if you read another post I wrote but I pointed out the same thing you did. Managment is calling the shots and that isn't likely to change until 2009 if we see a fundamental shift of political power.

Dave,

Sorry if I mistook what you said. Sometimes wadding through six pages, you loose what the intent of the original posting. I do agree that MGT will not merge the two pilot groups. It makes sense to operate them as two separate companies. Besides, one is union and the other is not. How is that going to blend? Keep all of the info flowing. Best of luck to all involved. Peace.... Bouyyyyyyyyy

 

[USCtrojan]

Unions and Merger

Newsflash Hoover. It's not a merger. You got bought. Had you not been bought you would be taking big concessions like you friends at CMR or DAL would have shut down for lack of cash.
DOH would be a losing proposition for SKYW pilots. SKYW has guys with less than 2 years that are captains. There are even some with closer to a year with the company that have already upgraded.

If DOH is the way to go why aren't America West pilots embracing that idea? You'll have just as much luck finding support for DOH as the US Air guys. It's not going to happen.

You want everyone to "bring with them their seniority, longevity, and current position." Then you have to merge the list by relative seniority not DOH. Please ask one of your MEC reps to explain the definition of "career expectations" as outlined in the ALPA merger manual.
Here's my previously posted list of reasons why DOH is a pipe dream for you.

An equitable merger protocol would take these factors into account and preserve the all important career expectations.

1. Average ASA pilot is more senior than average SKYW pilot
2. SKYW pilots historically upgrade much faster than ASA pilots, in some cases less than 6 months and generally within 2 or 3 years

3. ASA was rescued from near certain bankruptcy
4. Prior to acquisition ASA pilots had no expectation of UAX flying
5. Prior to acquisition ASA pilots had no expectation of west coast bases
6. Prior to acquisition ASA pilots had no expectation of potential codeshare flying for partner other than DAL. SKYW actively bids for flying with other airlines according to SEC filed documents.

So an equitable merger protocol would not harm SKYW pilots the way a pure DOH merger would. An equitable merger protocol would force ASA pilots to make some sort of sacrifice in exchange for the new opportunties offered. In light of the fact that ASA would be bankrupt had they not been purchased by SKYW how can any reasonable person suggest that SKYW pilots be harmed in the aftermath of a merger?

I agree with your statements. This should not be a windfall for ASA pilots. Fences and protections will have to initially protect everyone. However, remember, in our current scenario, Skywest is taking 13 of OUR airplanes. Basically we are providing 13 70 seat aircraft for your growth. I believe that should be taken into some kind of consideration. What I want is for you and me and everyone else at our extremely profitable airline to talk and work everything out. This is going to be an incredible place to be.

Trojan

 

[wilde737]

"I agree with your statements. This should not be a windfall for ASA pilots. Fences and protections will have to initially protect everyone. However, remember, in our current scenario, Skywest is taking 13 of OUR airplanes. Basically we are providing 13 70 seat aircraft for your growth. I believe that should be taken into some kind of consideration. What I want is for you and me and everyone else at our extremely profitable airline to talk and work everything out. This is going to be an incredible place to be.

Trojan"

USC,
You say that Skywest is taking your aircraft for their growth? If I remember correctly, the 13 700's that skywest is taking, are being replaced with 13 900's. How is that taking your airplanes for their growth? It seems like a win-win to me. I know the slc folks are going to have to move back to atl, and I'm sorry for that. That's pretty rough, but unfortunately that's the aviation business. Just trying to keep the facts out!
737

 

[Tomct]

Dave, you did not answer my bullets! M A Y B E I F I T A L K S L O W E R, You will understand! Dave, I KNOW that we would not be in the same situation as the Comair guys because we would most likely have gone on strike! We have proven time and time again that we are not willing to take paycuts for aircraft or anything else! They tried to put that carrot out there 2-3 years ago, that if we took a pay freeze, that we would get all these new airplanes. We told them to take a flying leap and we STILL got the aircraft! The reason skwst wanted us is due to the fact that we CONTROL ATL!! As for the rest of the crap, we will see!

Exdvr...Been a Capt for a LONGGGGG Time, Thanks for your Brilliant insight though?

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quot from Tomct--Get this right Dave, I would not want to displace any active Capt from his/her position, but to give someone "seniority" over someone who has been in the game MUCH longer is just plane CRAZY!!

Ok - so you're a Capt.- great. I also do feel for the ASA SLC crews . In reference to the above statement you should put the shoe on the other foot.

A guy chooses SKW. He did not apply to ASA for whatever reason. SKW buys ASA. He now looks at the prospect of having to wait longer for upgrade because of all these new people ahead of him? Yes care to admit or not- you are new to him.

If we apply career expectations to this situation- What just happened to his?

 

[jehtplane]

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USC,
You say that Skywest is taking your aircraft for their growth? If I remember correctly, the 13 700's that skywest is taking, are being replaced with 13 900's. How is that taking your airplanes for their growth? It seems like a win-win to me. I know the slc folks are going to have to move back to atl, and I'm sorry for that. That's pretty rough, but unfortunately that's the aviation business. Just trying to keep the facts out!
737

Really is Skywest giving up airplanes for those 70 seaters, Skywest is growing by 13 airplanes ASA is growing by 0 airplanes

 

[Willy21]

Career Expectations change. Look no farther than Comair for that. ASA and Comair were the only two carriers doing 70 seat flying for Delta. So you could say that all of the guys Skywest has hired or were upgraded due to Skywest getting 700's for Delta are taking away ASA career expectations. That doesn't hold much water and neither does, "well my career expectations at Skywest are......" Things change and they always will. You took a chance going to Skywets just like I took a chance going to ASA. As of this moment your choice is woorking for you, but lets put another possible situation out there. Let's say Delta decides to shut down the SLC hub. (before you say it won't happen look at DFW, LAX and possibly soon CVG) Delta wants all of the Skywest 700 flying in ATL and will add more 900 flying at ASA along with all other growth opportunities. All SLC 50 seat flying comes to an end. Your companies upgrade went from 1.5 years to 6 years overnight. Your carrer expectations have just changed. So should you get to fly in ATL on routes ASA is providing lift on and the ASA guys get put on the street? After all you would be new to ATL. Career expectations change. Face it, if (that is a big if) we get the chance to merge the lists Skywest will no longer have a two year upgrade as long as ASA has six year guys in the right seat.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

OK Willy21- Thanks for the valid and intelligent debate verses the normal name callin. But now we should ask - Would an arbitrator base career expectation on what was hapenning, or what JUST changed?

 

[Willy21]

My hope is that we work it out and never have to let an arbitrator have a say. We would control more if we both worked out the deal. If an arbitrator got involved all bets would be off as to how he would see things.