SKYWEST to PAY 4.8 MILLION FOR MOVE

[FL990]

Sounds like a perfect solution to me. And the SkyWest guys and gals won't mind as long as your DOH is changed to the date SKYW bought you so your former parent company could stay in business.

Pal,

you need to get over that wet dream because it won't happen. No advantage whatsoever to a staple!

 

[buscap]

smokers

I hope everyone posting on the subject of merging the pilots group doesn't have a urinal pop quiz soon.

A pilot merger will not happen. It is in management's best interests to keep us apart. If Comair and ASA never merged, what do you think the possibility of a SKYWEST/ASA merger really is?

And by the way, this pilot VS pilot gripefest is exactly what management wants to hear. Great job cutting our own throats you Nearsighted Cracksmokin Einsteins!

Cooperation between the 2 pilot groups is our only hope for minimizing the effects of whipsaw. We can't do much about most of the whipsaw, but we should fight it when we can...together.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave, Actually we were completely independent 26 years ago...We didn't start the codeshare with Western as Western Express until I think 1987, maybe late '86.

What about the Pocatello flying that started back in 1980? Thought that was for Western

reference: Time Flies by Creedy

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Pal,

you need to get over that wet dream because it won't happen. No advantage whatsoever to a staple!

Pal,

You need to learn how to read things in context. The post was written in response to someone suggesting a DOH integration. Nobody with half a brain thinks that's realistic.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Dave-

Got an MBA and you think you're smarter than everyone else on this board huh? I know quite a few MBA's that couldn't do what others without MBA's have done. Unless your last name is Hawking, I'm not at all impressed with your IQ. People with GED's are entitled to have their opinions wether mispelled or not.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave-

Got an MBA and you think you're smarter than everyone else on this board huh? I know quite a few MBA's that couldn't do what others without MBA's have done. Unless your last name is Hawking, I'm not at all impressed with your IQ. People with GED's are entitled to have their opinions wether mispelled or not.

Did you misspell "wether" intentionally?
Obviously reading comprehension has been a struggle for you also. Where did I state that anyone wasn't entitled to an opinion? An opinion is something other than a display of ignorance.

What I tried to point out is that we've got some folks on this board that don't understand the very basic difference between revenues and profits. I don't have a problem with anyone being ignorant but when they start spouting off about how "profits have gone up 123%" when in reality they have gone down I feel compelled to say something.

I'm flattered that you presume I have an MBA but it's a faulty assumption. I do have several years of experience owning and running a business though. With pensions being all but eliminated many among us will be more reliant on 401-K returns. I'd be concerned about someone trying to pick stocks for their future if they don't understand the difference between revenues and profits.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Did you misspell "wether" intentionally?

It was an attempt at irony. Congratulations, you should now pursue MENSA.

Usually, people that take quant. analysis (aka operations research) are pursuing an MBA. That along with your acct/finance reference is what led me to assume your education.

As far as opinion is concerned: we are all entitled to them. No need to pretend that you are the next Adam Smith or Peter Drucker.

 

[bacardi]

that was great basic comedy and the guy didnt even get it.

 

[Bluto]

this is sad

I think it's pathetic that Dave comes on here posting under his real name, offering logical, well-thought out rationales (whether you agree with them or not) and all he gets in response is name-calling, and childish and irrational responses.

I'm not suggesting you have to agree with him, but you should try to listen and debate him like a prossional instead of attacking him personally. Childish behavior isn't gaining you guys any points in the eyes of SkyWest pilots.

 

[viper01]

I don't think ASA pilots are looking for any points from Skywest pilots. I do wish we could work together instead of against eachother though.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Thanks Bluto.
I'm concerned about pilots that are unable to discern the difference between revenue and profits. That could lead to some very poor choices.

I got a kick out of Irishman's comment - "No need to pretend that you are the next Adam Smith or Peter Drucker."

I joke about how I could barely pass some basic accounting classes in an undergraduate business program and the guy makes a dumba$$ remark like that. Besides Smith was the father of economics. Accounting and economics are two very different disciplines. If accountants were wrong as often as economists our markets would be in really bad shape. Too bad Drucker passed away last year. He was pretty brilliant. I think he was in his mid 90's though, so he a had a pretty good long run.

I don't mind the personal attacks. If they can't debate the facts what else are they supposed to resort to? They wouldn't be able to post a thing. They'd have to just sit there and stare at the screen.

 

[scarlet]

Dave I bet you shop at Wal-Mart and think "I don't know why Americans are losing their jobs to China"??

I am saying stop the wal-mart affect---CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and we are better than you---a REAL AMERICAN!!!

The post is about OUR company and yes I said OUR company just wasting money--but you don't care---well with your degree you could work for Delta because they are great at making very smart business decisions...whipsaw whipsaw---who cares if we waste money and then you are bankr. REAL SMART!!!

I would think in the modern day people would want their company to strive and make money so they can give you a raise---SHARE the WEALTH--

SKYWEST save the money--MERGE the airline---I am sure you would want our senior guy flying right seat with you right---he would eat you alive---with his 25 years....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave I bet you shop at Wal-Mart and think "I don't know why Americans are losing their jobs to China"??

I am saying stop the wal-mart affect---CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and we are better than you---a REAL AMERICAN!!!

The post is about OUR company and yes I said OUR company just wasting money--but you don't care---well with your degree you could work for Delta because they are great at making very smart business decisions...whipsaw whipsaw---who cares if we waste money and then you are bankr. REAL SMART!!!

I would think in the modern day people would want their company to strive and make money so they can give you a raise---SHARE the WEALTH--

SKYWEST save the money--MERGE the airline---I am sure you would want our senior guy flying right seat with you right---he would eat you alive---with his 25 years....

Scarlet,

I give up. You have zero reading comprehension. You're mumbling about Wal-Mart which incidentally I don't patronize. None of this is remotely close to relevant. You're claiming that I'm opposed to merging the lists. Where did I say that Scarlet? All I said is that we're not airline economists or accountants. I don't pretend to know all the financial implications of a merger. You also made it obvious that you're unaware of all the back-office integration that's already occurred. The 2 airlines have already combined many functions and are saving money according to what's been publicly stated by SkyWest, Inc. managment. All I've quite plainly stated is that any list integration should be done in a fair an equitable manner. Is that what you object to? You think you should have an advantage over SKYW pilots?

Get someone to help you read my posts and then formulate a cogent response. You're sounding like a 14 year old, not a professional pilot.

 

[Bluto]

I don't think ASA pilots are looking for any points from Skywest pilots. I do wish we could work together instead of against eachother though.

Poor choice of words on my part. I know the majority of ASA pilots are more interested in working together than the lunatic fringe on this board indicates. I guess my point was, if ASA pilots are trying to encourage SkyWest pilots to unionize, threats and insults aren't the way to do it. I know it's our responsibility. I sincerely hope our pilot group makes a good choice with regard to representation, but bullying and threats aren't going to help us do it.

I'm just glad the unionized carriers get treated with respect on this board, you know groups like Mesa, CHQ, TSA, GJ, Pinnacle, etc. We all want what they've got.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Dave-

At no time did I attack you. I merely called you out for thinking you are smarter than most others on this board. But if you want to ignore my critique so that you can continue saying things like, "You're sounding like a 14 year old, not a professional pilot," then by all means.

If you can't figure out my reference to Adam Smith as it relates to accounting, then maybe you aren't as smart as you think.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dave-

At no time did I attack you. I merely called you out for thinking you are smarter than most others on this board. But if you want to ignore my critique so that you can continue saying things like, "You're sounding like a 14 year old, not a professional pilot," then by all means.

If you can't figure out my reference to Adam Smith as it relates to accounting, then maybe you aren't as smart as you think.

Couple of points there DI.
Based on some of the drivel seen thus far I'm concerned for this county's future. Where did these guys go to school? Read Scarlet's last post. Does that sound like a professional or a high school kid? He's trying to support DOH integration saving SKYW money with a tirade about me shopping at Wal-Mart. I see a fundamental disconnect. What do you see there? If I wrote sentences like that in high school I would have got an "F" for that paper.

Let's talk about a far more interesting subject you brought up. Are we talking about the same Adam Smith? Here's a rather generic summary of his accomplishments clipped from wikipedia:


Adam Smith, FRSE (baptised June 5, 1723 – July 17, 1790) was a Scottish political economist and moral philosopher. His Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations was one of the earliest attempts to study the historical development of industry and commerce in Europe. That work helped to create the modern academic discipline of economics and provided one of the best-known intellectual rationales for free trade, capitalism and libertarianism.


I took micro and macro econ and enjoyed both classes immensely although some may argue macro-econ is more of a sociology class than anything else. And to be honest I did see some parallels between what we learned in sociology and macro-econ, IE: stratification.

Personally I see Adam Smith as more of an economic philosopher than anything else. My biased view of accounting which is due in part to the fact that I almost flunked managerial accounting, is that it's a far more rigid academic and practical endeavor. Accountants track and report data. They can manipulate the data but unless they enage in Enronesque practices the results are limited to those grounded in fact rather than theory.

So I am quite curious to explore this connection between Adam Smith and modern accounting a bit further. Perhaps your college experiences are more recent than mine and the subject is fresher for you. Feel free to PM me since this debate/discussion constitutes a terrible thread hijack. Obviously there is a connection between accounting and economics but I'm not seeing as direct a connection between Adam Smith and modern accounting practices as you are. So either we're considering the works of different Adam Smith's or I'm missing something.

 

[Mookie]

I think you need to go sailing dave....

Mookie

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I think you need to go sailing dave....

Mookie

I've got some planned! C'mon up. Taking the dinghy out tonight to see if my rerigging project came out OK or not. Looks good on the trailer but we'll see how it does on the water. Tomorrow night is some keelboat racing and some more dinghy sailing on Friday. It's supposed to really warm up today.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Dave I bet you shop at Wal-Mart and think "I don't know why Americans are losing their jobs to China"??

I am saying stop the wal-mart affect---CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and we are better than you---a REAL AMERICAN!!!

The post is about OUR company and yes I said OUR company just wasting money--but you don't care---well with your degree you could work for Delta because they are great at making very smart business decisions...whipsaw whipsaw---who cares if we waste money and then you are bankr. REAL SMART!!!

I would think in the modern day people would want their company to strive and make money so they can give you a raise---SHARE the WEALTH--

SKYWEST save the money--MERGE the airline---I am sure you would want our senior guy flying right seat with you right---he would eat you alive---with his 25 years....

Wow 25 years???? You do realize there are flight crew members here with well over 30 years don't you??!!

 

[goodto50meters]

If Comair and ASA never merged, what do you think the possibility of a SKYWEST/ASA merger really is?

Thats because Delta management since Ron Allen has pretty much been the worst airline managers to ever hit the airline industry. What am I saying.....except ASA!

Plus, when things really started looking bad they wanted to be able to unload us and make some cash.

SkyWest management is just a bit more savvy then Delta. Sorry General.