SkyWest to IAD

[Russ]

Recent experience is what he should have said. It is a perishable skill is it not?

That should be open ended enough for you to type till midnight.

I can tell you a B1900 pilot is a heck of a lot better instrument pilot today than I am. Wasn't always so, but let the skills atrophy due to vectors to the ILS.

I don't know if the poster is correct but I don't dismiss it as easily as you.

 

[General Lee]

Recent experience is what he should have said. It is a perishable skill is it not?

That should be open ended enough for you to type till midnight.

I can tell you a B1900 pilot is a heck of a lot better instrument pilot today than I am. Wasn't always so, but let the skills atrophy due to vectors to the ILS.

I don't know if the poster is correct but I don't dismiss it as easily as you.

Russ,

Something you obviously don't understand is that there is a WHOLE WIDE WORLD out there, with crazy approaches, bad ATC, Volcanos, constant Bad WX (like Typhoons in Asia or Monsoons in India), etc, that you regional pilots don't see, or even think about. You are too concerned with the stew you might be flying with this month (all month), and where you might eat at DEN between flights. Guess what? A mainline pilot flying to JFK from LAX may be flying across the pond the next day or so, going to a place like Abuja, Nigeria. Do you think pilots who go to those places have atrophying skills? Would that be smart? Stop focusing on your own little world, the one you have total control in since that is ALL YOU DO. Open your eyes and understand there is a world away from DEN and SLC. For every ASE or SUN you have, there are 50 more airports around the world that are more challenging because of the language barrier alone, let alone the old airport facilities and handling. If you don't think you need "experience" when you go to Quito, Ecuador, then you are mistaken. Most mainliners have experience doing a lot of different flying, something that Skywest FO still can't understand.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Russ]

DAL MD80 guys are dodging typhoons in India? WN guys in Lubbock (still your fav?) dealing with volcano's? Bad ATC, like MEM during daylight? Or in Mexico or Central America. Don't have to go Africa to find that. Total control? hardly. Paid better? I make more than a lot of the guys I know at major airlines warming the right seats. More than some in the left seat flying planes overseas. All I do? Not my choice but IAD to COS is 3/4 of a transcon, give or take. Unless something happens in that last quarter...

What of the domiciles that only fly domestic, heavies coast to coast? What do they know? What of IRO's that have to hit the sim to stay legally current?

I don't begrudge someone flying the long haul stuff if that's what they want, the beauty of seniority. It however comes with costs. I have experienced what I'm talking about to the point to have some insight. I used to be much better in certain aspects than I am now, my ability to manage automation now is far better than it was years ago.

I'm not questioning your manhood. Just saying that there might be some truth to the idea.

where you might eat at DEN

Que bueno of course. Chrarizo and eggs if you want to give it a try.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Ha! When was the last time you heard of mainline taking routes back from regionals? Mainline management keeps handing out your flying like they're free pancakes. It's only time before mainline guys start to take furloughs, at that point you'll be begging for a job in that CRJ. Get the CRJ captain his gear, Nancy!

Blah blah blah, the news will be changing soon IDIOT!

 

[General Lee]

DAL MD80 guys are dodging typhoons in India? WN guys in Lubbock (still your fav?) dealing with volcano's? Bad ATC, like MEM during daylight? Or in Mexico or Central America. Don't have to go Africa to find that. Total control? hardly. Paid better? I make more than a lot of the guys I know at major airlines warming the right seats. More than some in the left seat flying planes overseas. All I do? Not my choice but IAD to COS is 3/4 of a transcon, give or take. Unless something happens in that last quarter...

What of the domiciles that only fly domestic, heavies coast to coast? What do they know? What of IRO's that have to hit the sim to stay legally current?

I don't begrudge someone flying the long haul stuff if that's what they want, the beauty of seniority. It however comes with costs. I have experienced what I'm talking about to the point to have some insight. I used to be much better in certain aspects than I am now, my ability to manage automation now is far better than it was years ago.

I'm not questioning your manhood. Just saying that there might be some truth to the idea.



Que bueno of course. Chrarizo and eggs if you want to give it a try.

See, this goes to prove AGAIN that you regional guys have your heads up your butz. Do DL MD88 guys always just fly that plane (like SWA 737 pilots do?) That MD88 Captain probably just got off a tour of flying Europe and S America on the 767 in the right seat, and has plenty more REAL WORLD experience flying than any SkyWest pilot does, (except into SUN! Yippee). And wow, MEM during daylight---bad ATC......right. Ever flown into Moscow? (not ID) Try understanding anything that controller says. Most ATC in the US is very easy to understand, giving those BE1900 guys a leg up on even their tougher approaches. In the rest of the World, it is up to YOU, and ATC hopes you can do it. Sure, some LCCs do mainly transcons, and that could get boring, but most legacies have a mixture, and if you don't fly in a "theatre" within two years, you have to get another TOE (a trip into that theatre) to regain the qualifications. Some guys are senior enough to avoid tougher trips, but most aren't. And it is great you are paid more than some right seaters and even some left seaters. That is only one reason you won't make the jump to enlightenment. And I am not saying there aren't some great regional pilots out there. I am sure you have to be good to fly into ASE. But, what I am saying is there is a whole other world out there that many regional pilots can't even comprehend, and obviously don't think about.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Russ]

you regional guys have your heads up your butz.

I didn't know this had gone to the point of that comment.

I am sure you have to be good to fly into ASE. But, what I am saying is there is a whole other world out there that many regional pilots can't even comprehend, and obviously don't think about.

There's a whole world that many major pilots have forgotten about, if they were ever there to begin with. No matter how you put it, as in regional pilots can't comprehend, or as I put it, haven't done it since the Nixon administration for the grey hairs in the left seat of the 777 there are gaps. The been there done that thing a couple of decades ago doesn't sit well with me for boasting rights.

 

[fastback]

I didn't know this had gone to the point of that comment.

He reeled you in, Gen Lee is not a pilot at a major or legacy carrier.

 

[BoilerUP]

NEWS FLASH!

Different types of flying come with different types of challenges.

More at 11...

 

[rtmcfi]

Hey general, I might have missed your response. Did delta have a policy after they bought Western that a former Western pilot had to be in the cockpit on the flghts to the mountain cities out of SLC?

 

[General Lee]

Hey general, I might have missed your response. Did delta have a policy after they bought Western that a former Western pilot had to be in the cockpit on the flghts to the mountain cities out of SLC?

Sorry, I just read the first one. I wasn't around during that merger (I am a 96 hire), so I can't say for sure, but I believe you might be correct. Anytime you fly into a new area, there are checkairmen watching. That is prudent. I don't know how long that lasted, but I bet until the DL guys were comfortable. I know an ATL 767ER Checkairman, and he goes on quite a few flights now with the LAX 767ER crews down to Sao Paulo on their nonstop from LAX---to make sure those guys get the training so they can do it by themselves eventually. Wouldn't you say that is smart? Sure beats flying to Rapid City, eh?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

He reeled you in, Gen Lee is not a pilot at a major or legacy carrier.

Really? Oh yeah, I am a CEO. You sound like an idiot.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I didn't know this had gone to the point of that comment.



There's a whole world that many major pilots have forgotten about, if they were ever there to begin with. No matter how you put it, as in regional pilots can't comprehend, or as I put it, haven't done it since the Nixon administration for the grey hairs in the left seat of the 777 there are gaps. The been there done that thing a couple of decades ago doesn't sit well with me for boasting rights.

The "world" that major airlines pilots have forgotten about was due to legacies giving away routes to the regionals. How many legacy pilots wanted to give away Montana flying? I can tell you---ZERO. The customers also liked the mainline planes, and RJs are a sad excuse for a replacement. Also, besides some nice destinations that should remain mainline flying (like Montana), what are major airline pilots missing or forgetting about when it comes to regionals? Less pay? Tougher work schedules? More legs per day? Flying with newbees? None of that sounds appealling to a major airline pilot, which is why many left the regionals in the first place. The legacies are figuring out that RJs aren't worth it, and more and more will go away, leaving you guys to find new feed (Airtran and United--ASA) for very little financial gain. That means regionals will get smaller, and those same cities once dumped by Legacies will eventually come back into the fold. All will be complete eventually. Add new FAA work rules coming up here, and the regionals will lose a lot of their cost advantages, resulting in more nails in the coffin. But hey, maybe you can follow the ASA CR7s to Vietnam, they may need your services. (Brad Holt may allow you to switch over....)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[amcnd]

The only reason SkyWest is doing this.. Is 1.) they have a COS base, 2.) it needs to be a 700 not a 200. Lets remember its only one flight. If ASA had 700's for United and SkyWest didnt have a COS base im sure it would have been them. Move on......

 

[Newpilot2b]

Hey GL
Your Mom wears combat boots.

 

[Tarzan]

The legacies are figuring out that RJs aren't worth it, and more and more will go away

Don't worry. We are all waiting for that day. The reason the RJs are on their way out is that financial incentives that made them effective are basically gone. More mainline planes, better for most of us. You act as though this is a huge threat. It isn't.