SkyWest to IAD

[BOX OFFICE]

Heck no. Most of the people left flying at the legacies have been AFFECTED by RJ growth. You think an offer for this or that would just change legacy pilots' minds? No way. The ONLY reason RJs went from 70 to 76 seats was because of a BK judge. We didn't offer that, it was handed down to us. And, I don't see that happening again any time soon, so your wishes of flying even larger RJs (like 100 seaters) just won't be happening. The senior guys who don't care have either already left or are about to---and that should worry you. INTL routes are profitable, but giving away everything domestic just doesn't make sense, and we are seeing RJs getting parked, and DC9-50s starting to replace RJs on certian ATL routes to better compete with Airtran 717s. It won't stop there. I love that you are assuming all of this may happen, and you are an E120 FO. Yeah, you hope so. News flash for you. Most people HATE RJs, and businessmen deplore them. Your E120s are worse. Transcons are flown by larger planes, and with the Economy down the tubes, more people can't afford private jets (look, Netjets has furloughed pilots), and have to fly 1st class on Majors. Most legacies also fly hub and spoke system--transferring a lot of pax through the hubs. Does Airtran have any RJs in ATL? (nope, only MKE) Does Jetblue fly any RJs at JFK? How about Virgin America? These guys fly mainline sized planes, and are doing fairly well. We should fly RJs to cities that have NO LCC competition. If we fly an RJ against a LCC, we lose, everytime. That is what is changing with DC9-50s starting to fly against 717s---it is time to stop the losses, and again, that aint good for you. You should HOPE for more mainline hiring, maybe it will get you an upgrade instead of krap wages the rest of your life while you fly to Idaho Falls. Your argument about flying an RJ from IAD to COS could work, since NO OTHER plane flies it currently. But, you may turn away passengers from future flights because of extreme discomfort. DL flew CR7s from OAK to DFW and onto DCA, and they lost miserably to AA and their mainline planes. Offering the only flight, could work, but add free pillows for the passengers' butz.


Bye Bye---General Lee

FWIW, I think you (and the company if what you say is true) are wrong in this theory. In places Airtran goes and we send an RJ, people aren't flying Airtran to avoid the RJ, they're flying Airtran because the ticket is cheaper. If you think the passengers care (or have any idea) what airplane they're on you're fooling yourself. All they consider is price. If we send a DC-9 at mainline rates, there's no way we're going to be cheaper than Airtran in these cities and still make money on the route. The cost structure of the CRJ-700 and -900 is actually much better suited to compete with Airtran on these routes. and now that the -700s are adding first class, the business travelers may also find them more appealing.

I think your constant RJ bashing is wearing thin. You're starting to say things that are blatantly untrue, just to have an opening to RJ bash. I think your threats of losing 50 seat RJs are empty, because most RJ pilots I know would be glad to see them go and glad to see them transfer to mainline jobs.

Now go ahead and make a flippant response about what you assume my sexuality is, or anything else you can come up with to avoid the facts of the issue. We're all waiting. We're starting to see you for what you are... a flamebaiter with very little real info.

 

[Anonymous2]

[/QUOTE] Does Airtran have any RJs in ATL? (nope, only MKE) Does Jetblue fly any RJs at JFK? How about Virgin America? These guys fly mainline sized planes, and are doing fairly well. Bye Bye---General Lee[/QUOTE]



I thought the ERJ-190 is an RJ like the ERJ-170 & ERJ-140? JetBlue uses the ERJ-190 at jfk.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Some of my fellow RJ guys/gals in here have me confused. The majority of mainline pilots did our type of flying in B1900 D328's F100's, DC9's and 732's. They have seen it all plus all of the international ops that they are now doing. They will always have the edge in experience. That's the point, that's why they were hired at a mainline.

Hopefully a majority of us can switch over to mainline eventually as well.

Have some respect!

You're kidding right? Have some self respect! I think you may be "hypoxik".......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Heck no. Most of the people left flying at the legacies have been AFFECTED by RJ growth. You think an offer for this or that would just change legacy pilots' minds? No way. The ONLY reason RJs went from 70 to 76 seats was because of a BK judge. We didn't offer that, it was handed down to us. And, I don't see that happening again any time soon, so your wishes of flying even larger RJs (like 100 seaters) just won't be happening. The senior guys who don't care have either already left or are about to---and that should worry you. INTL routes are profitable, but giving away everything domestic just doesn't make sense, and we are seeing RJs getting parked, and DC9-50s starting to replace RJs on certian ATL routes to better compete with Airtran 717s. It won't stop there. I love that you are assuming all of this may happen, and you are an E120 FO. Yeah, you hope so. News flash for you. Most people HATE RJs, and businessmen deplore them. Your E120s are worse. Transcons are flown by larger planes, and with the Economy down the tubes, more people can't afford private jets (look, Netjets has furloughed pilots), and have to fly 1st class on Majors. Most legacies also fly hub and spoke system--transferring a lot of pax through the hubs. Does Airtran have any RJs in ATL? (nope, only MKE) Does Jetblue fly any RJs at JFK? How about Virgin America? These guys fly mainline sized planes, and are doing fairly well. We should fly RJs to cities that have NO LCC competition. If we fly an RJ against a LCC, we lose, everytime. That is what is changing with DC9-50s starting to fly against 717s---it is time to stop the losses, and again, that aint good for you. You should HOPE for more mainline hiring, maybe it will get you an upgrade instead of krap wages the rest of your life while you fly to Idaho Falls. Your argument about flying an RJ from IAD to COS could work, since NO OTHER plane flies it currently. But, you may turn away passengers from future flights because of extreme discomfort. DL flew CR7s from OAK to DFW and onto DCA, and they lost miserably to AA and their mainline planes. Offering the only flight, could work, but add free pillows for the passengers' butz.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Private Lee...Have you heard of paragraphs? It would be easier to read your dribble....Never mind, I would still ignore it...

 

[Plainsman]

Delta's product is poor. You looking in the wrong direction. People don't want to fly on that big hunk of junk airline. You guys worry about yourselves far too much and not enough on the people who feed your families. People know how bad Delta is that is why others like Airtran, Jetblue, and Southwest have grown. That company has become too big to adjust to changes, much like our federal government. Delta used to be a good airline. Well until around 1996, maybe before. Used to be employees and managment gave to that company, now its what they can take while they are there. You and most there are an embarrassment to people who came before. Get rid of the rjs! General Lee is Richard Anderson! That's why Delta sucks so bad the president spends all day on flightinfo instead of running an airline. Hey Mr. Anderson I need a lav dump and a wheelchair at the bottom of D36, get on that will ya, big boy!

 

[CX880]

Oil is going up.

 

[General Lee]

FWIW, I think you (and the company if what you say is true) are wrong in this theory. In places Airtran goes and we send an RJ, people aren't flying Airtran to avoid the RJ, they're flying Airtran because the ticket is cheaper. If you think the passengers care (or have any idea) what airplane they're on you're fooling yourself. All they consider is price. If we send a DC-9 at mainline rates, there's no way we're going to be cheaper than Airtran in these cities and still make money on the route. The cost structure of the CRJ-700 and -900 is actually much better suited to compete with Airtran on these routes. and now that the -700s are adding first class, the business travelers may also find them more appealing.

I think your constant RJ bashing is wearing thin. You're starting to say things that are blatantly untrue, just to have an opening to RJ bash. I think your threats of losing 50 seat RJs are empty, because most RJ pilots I know would be glad to see them go and glad to see them transfer to mainline jobs.

Now go ahead and make a flippant response about what you assume my sexuality is, or anything else you can come up with to avoid the facts of the issue. We're all waiting. We're starting to see you for what you are... a flamebaiter with very little real info.

Frankly, I don't really care if you do like women, but I do like debating this industry. My constant RJ bashing comes from too many of them, and then DL going BK. When oil was super high, it made no sense flying them, the CASM was too high and an airline like Airtran could come in with more seats, charge less, and we would lose everytime head to head. Oil today is still fairly high (compared to the $35 a barrel it was 8 months ago), meaning we still need planes that could compete effectively with 717s compared to a CRJ50 or 70. The DC9-50 is currently our only choice, and it does well because the planes are owned outright (no lease costs), and the CASM is about the same. One of the "synergies" for the DL/NWA merger was to put the right sized plane on the correct route, and now we have more choices to find the right fit, and compete better.

As far as RJs or CR7s getting first class, that is better than nothing. Businessmen do not enjoy RJs, but a larger seat will help slightly. Some routes should have RJs, but they shouldn't be very long flights, or flights that compete directly with LCCs like Airtran. Flights to Fayettville, AR and Fayettville, NC are two perfect cities for RJs from ATL---no direct competition, and the loads probably do not justify a DC9 or MD88. CR7s to PHL, DAY, FNT, IND, SDF, etc all compete with larger planes and lower fares, meaning "Not good" for DL. The CR9 has 6 more seats than a CR7, and thanks to the DALPA scope clause can't seat anymore. That means they are still inefficient compared to a 717. Sorry.

So, do you still think businessmen can't tell the difference between a 717 and an RJ? Just ask one that flies a lot, and he'll tell you. Just because you fly the CR7s to EYW a lot as a pax to see "friends" and notice that they are full doesn't mean they all make money. (and DL now flies a 737-700 to Key West to compete with Airtran's flights down there. Good one, DL)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Does Airtran have any RJs in ATL? (nope, only MKE) Does Jetblue fly any RJs at JFK? How about Virgin America? These guys fly mainline sized planes, and are doing fairly well. Bye Bye---General Lee[/QUOTE]



I thought the ERJ-190 is an RJ like the ERJ-170 & ERJ-140? JetBlue uses the ERJ-190 at jfk.

[/QUOTE]


Yes, but it pays twice as well as any RJ out there. JB has pretty good rates on that plane (better than DL's pay rates on those same planes, negotiated with BK judge watching), which is good for any airline negotiating a contract for 100 seaters in the future. Good for them!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Delta's product is poor. You looking in the wrong direction. People don't want to fly on that big hunk of junk airline. You guys worry about yourselves far too much and not enough on the people who feed your families. People know how bad Delta is that is why others like Airtran, Jetblue, and Southwest have grown. That company has become too big to adjust to changes, much like our federal government. Delta used to be a good airline. Well until around 1996, maybe before. Used to be employees and managment gave to that company, now its what they can take while they are there. You and most there are an embarrassment to people who came before. Get rid of the rjs! General Lee is Richard Anderson! That's why Delta sucks so bad the president spends all day on flightinfo instead of running an airline. Hey Mr. Anderson I need a lav dump and a wheelchair at the bottom of D36, get on that will ya, big boy!

Poor compared to an RJ's service? Mainline is poor, is that what you are saying? Speak for yourself, I have a feeling you are giving poor service everytime you porpoise down the runway during your "crash landings." The DL/NWA merger has gone by a lot smoother than most, and they seem to be getting things together product wise. I bet you are unhappy with the outfits. You probably don't think the shoes match......

I am glad you think DL "used to" be a good airline. Sounds like you won't be too upset when your RJs are parked and you are working in Concourse C at Wendy's. You and CRJ567 can hold hands and make fries.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You're kidding right? Have some self respect! I think you may be "hypoxik".......

Joe, you are at a shrinking airline (or one that is being parted out), and your next assignment may be in Hanoi. Go enjoy that. People like you will be treated "very well" by your new hosts over there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Joe, you are at a shrinking airline (or one that is being parted out), and your next assignment may be in Hanoi. Go enjoy that. People like you will be treated "very well" by your new hosts over there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Once again you show what a true d!ckwad you are!! I have said this to you dozens of times but you are a hugh jerk because you constantly come on here and wish for people to lose their jobs! What kind of human being are you? I have a family that exists off of my job flying Regional Jets feeding Delta's ATL hub with passengers to fly on mainline flights to other destinations. I'm so glad you hope I lose my job and end up at Wendy's. Nice, Sir. As for our flying skills, I challenge you to ride with me all day, and if I crash land or porpoise down the runway 1 time I will pay you $10,000 cash. Wanna take me up on it? I would love to chat in person with you on your spewing constant hate and vitriol towards honest, good people (and qualified, excellent pilots) just out earning an honest days living to feed their families. This is why I despise you more than anyone else I know of.

 

[CFI2766]

I think the danger here isn't Delta relaxing their scope to allow the regionals to fly more. The next logical move would be for all of the mainline carriers to establish pay rates for RJs that are waaaay below what is currently in the market.

This solves mainline's cost issues. The bone that the collective managements would throw to the senior folks at the top of the mainline lists would make them content to effectively sell out on a different kind of scope relaxation technique.

Scope relaxation technique: Another term for what the General has to do before his date... with RA.

 

[Lolikoka]

The Aviation Fraternity

Wouldn't it be nice if we could stop comparing the size of our fuselage or the amount of money in our bank account, and remember what a glorious job this is compared to the drudgery of an 8 to 5 job. Getting up at crack-of-dawn early is never fun, but we see some beautiful sunrises that most people never see or appreciate. We see the lightning displays of thunderstorms from a perspective that our land-bound friends and neighbors just wouldn't believe. We see stars at night that groundlings haven't been able to see in decades because of light pollution. There is a real sense of satisfaction in landing safely again on a snow covered runway at the end of a low ILS. Cruising at night and seeing the lights of cities two states away, colorful sunsets, snow-peaked mountains, endless coastlines, distant islands, controllers with funny and/or foreign accents. We take for granted the different scenery and sheer variety of work we confront every day. It beats a bumper to bumper commute down the interstate every day; it beats taking work home and waking at night to write down notes for a project at work. Aviation is a fraternity, but most of us have forgotten it. That's too bad.

Now, those of you who wish may return to the pointless vanity of your empty lives and find self-fulfillment and satisfaction in bashing those who fly smaller planes and make less money. Others of you can bash the guys in bigger planes for apparently selling the rest of the industry down the river to defend their way of life and their standard of living for themselves and their families, and for trying to improve their lot in life.

I think I'm getting another scotch.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think the danger here isn't Delta relaxing their scope to allow the regionals to fly more. The next logical move would be for all of the mainline carriers to establish pay rates for RJs that are waaaay below what is currently in the market.

This solves mainline's cost issues. The bone that the collective managements would throw to the senior folks at the top of the mainline lists would make them content to effectively sell out on a different kind of scope relaxation technique.

Scope relaxation technique: Another term for what the General has to do before his date... with RA.

BINGO!...This is what we can expect next from ALPA and the mainline carriers. They will undercut the regionals and agree to start over the longevity at year one to "recapture" this flying...We would be accused of "undercutting" if we did the same......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could stop comparing the size of our fuselage or the amount of money in our bank account, and remember what a glorious job this is compared to the drudgery of an 8 to 5 job. Getting up at crack-of-dawn early is never fun, but we see some beautiful sunrises that most people never see or appreciate. We see the lightning displays of thunderstorms from a perspective that our land-bound friends and neighbors just wouldn't believe. We see stars at night that groundlings haven't been able to see in decades because of light pollution. There is a real sense of satisfaction in landing safely again on a snow covered runway at the end of a low ILS. Cruising at night and seeing the lights of cities two states away, colorful sunsets, snow-peaked mountains, endless coastlines, distant islands, controllers with funny and/or foreign accents. We take for granted the different scenery and sheer variety of work we confront every day. It beats a bumper to bumper commute down the interstate every day; it beats taking work home and waking at night to write down notes for a project at work. Aviation is a fraternity, but most of us have forgotten it. That's too bad.

Now, those of you who wish may return to the pointless vanity of your empty lives and find self-fulfillment and satisfaction in bashing those who fly smaller planes and make less money. Others of you can bash the guys in bigger planes for apparently selling the rest of the industry down the river to defend their way of life and their standard of living for themselves and their families, and for trying to improve their lot in life.

I think I'm getting another scotch.

Very well said....Cheers!:beer:

 

[General Lee]

Once again you show what a true d!ckwad you are!! I have said this to you dozens of times but you are a hugh jerk because you constantly come on here and wish for people to lose their jobs! What kind of human being are you? I have a family that exists off of my job flying Regional Jets feeding Delta's ATL hub with passengers to fly on mainline flights to other destinations. I'm so glad you hope I lose my job and end up at Wendy's. Nice, Sir. As for our flying skills, I challenge you to ride with me all day, and if I crash land or porpoise down the runway 1 time I will pay you $10,000 cash. Wanna take me up on it? I would love to chat in person with you on your spewing constant hate and vitriol towards honest, good people (and qualified, excellent pilots) just out earning an honest days living to feed their families. This is why I despise you more than anyone else I know of.

Does anyone else on here think this is funny? Come on dude, relax a tad. You are taking this WAY too seriously. This board is for entertainment and rumors. Also, I don't think I could ride with you all day 79%N1, I just don't want to go to Monroe and Dothan. And you would actually pay me ten grand if you porpoised? That is a lot of pressure. DAM SAM. You are serious. Hey, throttle back a bit and chillax! And, if you see a 6'4" skinny FO (I weigh about a buck forty) that looks like Lerch, that would be me watching you from the E Concourse. Keep that nose up and don't land with extra thrust!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I think the danger here isn't Delta relaxing their scope to allow the regionals to fly more. The next logical move would be for all of the mainline carriers to establish pay rates for RJs that are waaaay below what is currently in the market.

This solves mainline's cost issues. The bone that the collective managements would throw to the senior folks at the top of the mainline lists would make them content to effectively sell out on a different kind of scope relaxation technique.

Scope relaxation technique: Another term for what the General has to do before his date... with RA.

Sorry, that just won't happen. The remainder of the DL pilots (after 2000 Captains left with remaining pensions) and the addition of the NWA Cobras (will strike at anything) will mean a lot more backbone, and the willingness to bring back a lot of what Dalpa lost to the BK judge. Almost 85% of the current list has been affected by RJ proliferation, whether it be downgrades or just commuting on those tin cans. The ONLY way anything will be gained on YOUR side will be through another BK, and that really doesn't look like it will be the case. The economy will get better, most likely just in time for our next round of negotiations. (2012)

So, what does your crystal ball look like? Your Regionals will continue to shrink, and new FAA rules will make you more expensive to operate (no more naps or 8 leg days)---meaning further downsizing. The remainder will be forced to compete against each other for any remaining RJ feed. Further consolidation of the legacies will bring less opportunities, due to certain airlines having tougher scope (CAL's scope is better than United's for example)---not allowing you to grow. 50 seaters will litter Mohave and Kingman, and 70 seaters will probably go to cargo airlines after conversions. That leaves a few 76 seaters, and Joe Merchant will be one of the senior FOs on that equipment in the end, since no legacy will interview him due to his 5 DUI's, all thanks to his personal shrinkage and professional shrinkage.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[sayrejm]

Does anyone else on here think this is funny? Come on dude, relax a tad. You are taking this WAY too seriously. This board is for entertainment and rumors. Also, I don't think I could ride with you all day 79%N1, I just don't want to go to Monroe and Dothan. And you would actually pay me ten grand if you porpoised? That is a lot of pressure. DAM SAM. You are serious. Hey, throttle back a bit and chillax! And, if you see a 6'4" skinny FO (I weigh about a buck forty) that looks like Lerch, that would be me watching you from the E Concourse. Keep that nose up and don't land with extra thrust!


Bye Bye--General Lee

what makes you assume 79%N1 is a dude??

 

[General Lee]

what makes you assume 79%N1 is a dude??

Sometimes He/She doesn't sound like one, but in reality I don't care.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sometimes He/She doesn't sound like one, but in reality I don't care.



Bye Bye--General Lee

In reality, nobody cares about what you say either..