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[Erlanger]

I don't think anyone on here knows what they're talking about. I think though the best hint is to take a clue from what the aircraft manufacturers are presently building and plan on building.

 

[General Lee]

In reality, nobody cares about what you say either..

Joe, you keep responding. But, soon you will be the one who is forgotten as your side of the industry dwindles. Goodnight JOE.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I don't think anyone on here knows what they're talking about. I think though the best hint is to take a clue from what the aircraft manufacturers are presently building and plan on building.

And watch which planes are being parked. If you think that scope clauses will go away and you will fly anything more than 76 seats, then you are dreaming. The only way to do that is through the BK process, and that isn't likely again anytime soon. Consolidation is on the way, and that means the stronger airline's scope clause will prevail, or the merger won't be successful (A la USAir), which isn't something any mangement team wants. RA wants to park another 50 50 seaters this year, and he is putting DC9s on current RJ routes to better compete with Airtran. If Bombardier is thinking about building a bigger RJ, it will very likely be flown by a mainline if it is over 76 seats. There is your hint and clue.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WayBack]

And watch which planes are being parked. If you think that scope clauses will go away and you will fly anything more than 76 seats, then you are dreaming..... If Bombardier is thinking about building a bigger RJ, it will very likely be flown by a mainline if it is over 76 seats. There is your hint and clue.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Remember the days when mainline guys said that regionals will never fly anything more than 50 seats? Your contract will be molested again and management will find another way to get around it.
Soon those regionals will be flying 100+ seats.

 

[Tarzan]

Two flame baiters going at it!

 

[General Lee]

Remember the days when mainline guys said that regionals will never fly anything more than 50 seats? Your contract will be molested again and management will find another way to get around it.
Soon those regionals will be flying 100+ seats.

That must have been back in the 1950s, since I recall ASA and RIO flying Dash-7s for DL, and I think they had 50 seats? Regardless, the contract will be enforced, and your 100 seat wet dreams will evaporate along with 50 seat jobs, leaving you and other Empty Nipple 200 hour wonders to search for other jobs you are willing to do for almost free.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Man, I'm getting to this thread late but;

Cool story bro!

 

[WayBack]

That must have been back in the 1950s, since I recall ASA and RIO flying Dash-7s for DL, and I think they had 50 seats? Regardless, the contract will be enforced, and your 100 seat wet dreams will evaporate along with 50 seat jobs, leaving you and other Empty Nipple 200 hour wonders to search for other jobs you are willing to do for almost free.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow, you're really that clueless, arent you?
Which side of 121 flying has increased over the last 15 years and which has shrunk? The regionals are going put you mainline strokes out of a job.
Not to mention your contract that has seem to fail you over the years. The regionals have been doing the majority of your flying for you. You really are delusional to think you're going to put the 50 seaters out of jobs.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, you're really that clueless, arent you?
Which side of 121 flying has increased over the last 15 years and which has shrunk? The regionals are going put you mainline strokes out of a job.

Looks like you haven't seen what has happened in the last couple years. You must not read anything from RJ "expert" Mike Boyd, who states 50 seaters are all tin cans, waiting to get recycled. DL parked 100 50 seaters last year, and expects to do 50 or so more this year. The days of the RJ are over, and the larger ones are getting replaced RIGHT NOW---Diesel 9s will start replacing larger RJs (all headed for Vietnam) on flights to GRR, FNT, MKE, and CLT. ASA used to be an exclusive regional feed for DL (owned by DL), but now some of their 50 seaters are at United. Did you even know that? How do you explain that? It's a start, and you better start putting your head in the present, and not the past. The Dalpa contract was dismantled a bit in BK, but since the DL pilots have gotten a new Joint Contract with the NWA pilots, and it will only get stronger as DL gets stronger due to the merger.

You seem to be in a time warp. 15 years ago you were still feeding off of your step Mom's milk makers, and is it true you were 7 years old too? That is nasty!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BoilerUP]

You must not read anything from RJ "expert" Mike Boyd

Stop right there, General.

Mike Boyd is the biggest Captain Obvious in this entire industry...and that's saying A LOT. All Boyd says (especially regarding RJs and their economics) is stuff that anybody with a basic calculator and simple math skills can already figure out...and he derives his "analysis" solely from casual observation and 1st grade arithmetic.

In short, he's not an "expert" of anything other than self-promotion...and one should give his industry analysis as much thought as the Consumer Reports' review of the Isuzu Trooper.

 

[SLUF4]

Thought Delta was starting the retirement process for the DC-9's. Is mainline going to replace these? How old is the youngest one in the fleet? I'm sure it's older than I am

 

[General Lee]

Stop right there, General.

Mike Boyd is the biggest Captain Obvious in this entire industry...and that's saying A LOT. All Boyd says (especially regarding RJs and their economics) is stuff that anybody with a basic calculator and simple math skills can already figure out...and he derives his "analysis" solely from casual observation and 1st grade arithmetic.

In short, he's not an "expert" of anything other than self-promotion...and one should give his industry analysis as much thought as the Consumer Reports' review of the Isuzu Trooper.

Why would you think I would put quotes around expert? It was a joke. But, he is master of the obvious, and obviously airlines and passengers are getting tired of RJs. That is the point. They have served their purpose, and except for a select few routes, they are on the way out. Even slowly, that is a good thing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Thought Delta was starting the retirement process for the DC-9's. Is mainline going to replace these? How old is the youngest one in the fleet? I'm sure it's older than I am

Some of them, not all. The -30s and -40s will be retired in mass after the Summer, leaving the -50 series to stick around and find markets that compete directly with 717s of Airtran. The economics (fully owned, not leased) of that version will compete better with a 717 rather than a CR9 or E170 with 76 seats.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

...the contract will be enforced...

I hope you're right, it's certainly about time contracts were enforced, but I look at history and am not encouraged. I don't think Brian Bedford got E190s only to operate the mostly dead Midwest operation. That's just one example.

 

[Erlanger]

Why would you think I would put quotes around expert? It was a joke. But, he is master of the obvious, and obviously airlines and passengers are getting tired of RJs. That is the point. They have served their purpose, and except for a select few routes, they are on the way out. Even slowly, that is a good thing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well I can quote your man, Anderson, who said the future of Delta lies in international routes and domestic is a loosing proposition except for coast to coast runs.

Delta will get more bigger airplanes and fly further then ever and you Mad dog and 7-3 guys will salivate and let that big shiny jet syndrome get the best of you with bigger paychecks and you'll all most certainly relax your scope and let them retire the Mad Dog and 7-3 fleet. (And btw, I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or fault the pilot groups' thinking)

You will see the other legacies following Delta's business plan if they ever want to compete. International is where it's at for the legacies.

You really don't believe mainline guys will ever fly the C-Series, do you?

 

[SLUF4]

so how many dc-9-50's are in the fleet?

 

[General Lee]

so how many dc-9-50's are in the fleet?

Maybe 40? The other DC9s are getting replaced now with MD90s. We got 3 last year, and this year 13 from China Eastern, and 16 from JAL. We do need to address the 100 seater eventually, and rumors are abound on type etc. I have heard maybe E190s....but all mainline of course.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BOX OFFICE]

You all don't get it. The only way to "win" an argument with General "Broken Record" Lee is to ignore him. He will never move off his "RJs suck, and will be gone in a year" mantra. The same mantra he's been chanting for about 5 years now, while RJs keep flying to new places. He just does it to get a rise out of you, and you fall for it. Just ignore him!

 

[SLUF4]

Just don't see how you can replace all the RJ's with a fleet of 40 aircraft, but believe it or not, I do aspire to move on from the regionals someday

 

[General Lee]

You all don't get it. The only way to "win" an argument with General "Broken Record" Lee is to ignore him. He will never move off his "RJs suck, and will be gone in a year" mantra. The same mantra he's been chanting for about 5 years now, while RJs keep flying to new places. He just does it to get a rise out of you, and you fall for it. Just ignore him!

Look, I really DON'T Care if you like women, but when it comes down to it, the RJs are BAD for this business when they compete directly with LCCs. Ms. Box Office can't debate, and it's too bad because she could be an ADVOCATE of change. But instead, she agrees with "Don't ask about how many are being parked, " and "Don't tell me the truth about them being on the way out." Sad, just sad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Just don't see how you can replace all the RJ's with a fleet of 40 aircraft, but believe it or not, I do aspire to move on from the regionals someday

Delta really parked a lot of mainline planes after 9-11 and BK, and just now will be bringing mainline sized planes back, to compete with growing LCCs. As the LCCs grow, RJs just can't compete, especially head to head. RJs have a place in this industry, but that place is against turboprops or other RJs, not against 717s and 737s. Places like New Bern, NC deserve RJs, not Indianapolis directly competing with a 717.

And, it is good to aspire to move upward and onward. Retirements will be huge starting in about 2 years with age 65 retirements growing over time. Keep your nose clean and stay away from people like Box Office and WayBack.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SLUF4]

I agree with some of that, but that's all delta management making those decisions-just like I think they don't charge enough for a ticket since the flights are pretty full, but then again I'm not a manager so I don't have a clue.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Today, 17:44
General Lee This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list.

Aaah, sweet relief! GL joins Browntothebone (most likely the same person, anyhow). You all should try it.

 

[johnsonrod]

Look, I really DON'T Care if you like women, but when it comes down to it, the RJs are BAD for this business when they compete directly with LCCs. Ms. Box Office can't debate, and it's too bad because she could be an ADVOCATE of change. But instead, she agrees with "Don't ask about how many are being parked, " and "Don't tell me the truth about them being on the way out." Sad, just sad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I really think General Lee is funny, he should get a comedy show. So many funny jabs. No wonder Box Office wants to ignore him.

 

[General Lee]

I really think General Lee is funny, he should get a comedy show. So many funny jabs. No wonder Box Office wants to ignore him.

Maybe Box can't handle her liquor? You know how you are supposed to handle your liquor, right? By her ears! Yuck Yuck Yuck..... I'll be here every Thursday night at the Laugh Barn. Make sure you tip your waitress!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[johnsonrod]

Maybe Box can't handle her liquor? You know how you are supposed to handle your liquor, right? By her ears! Yuck Yuck Yuck..... I'll be here every Thursday night at the Laugh Barn. Make sure you tip your waitress!


Bye Bye---General Lee

You are killing me! Stop it!

 

[ePilot22]

You are killing me! Stop it!

If you're going to flirt with the General, do it with the PM function. This isn't match.com.




eP.

 

[General Lee]

If you're going to flirt with the General, do it with the PM function. This isn't match.com.


eP.

Is that where you met your future husband?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jon Rivoli]

I would pay money to see the look on the Generals face the day his union rep tells him that DALPA just OK'ed an agreement (without going to members for a vote) for Connection to fly 100 seats. It will be explained to him in doing so they were able to secure wage and benefit gains and growth in real airplanes (ones that say Boeing on the tail) thus preserving the profession for Real airline pilots. And, don't worry the guys who just got F'ed aren't even on the property yet. Those regional guys probably didn't even graduate high school, let them fly those "Tin Cans". Come on General, do you really want to fly a plane made by a snowmobile manufacture? Or a Jungle Jet? Of course not. No self respecting Real Airline Pilot would.

 

[General Lee]

I would pay money to see the look on the Generals face the day his union rep tells him that DALPA just OK'ed an agreement (without going to members for a vote) for Connection to fly 100 seats. It will be explained to him in doing so they were able to secure wage and benefit gains and growth in real airplanes (ones that say Boeing on the tail) thus preserving the profession for Real airline pilots. And, don't worry the guys who just got F'ed aren't even on the property yet. Those regional guys probably didn't even graduate high school, let them fly those "Tin Cans". Come on General, do you really want to fly a plane made by a snowmobile manufacture? Or a Jungle Jet? Of course not. No self respecting Real Airline Pilot would.

Sorry, that just wouldn't happen. Dalpa just had LEC elections and every single one of the new reps was affected by RJs, and one of them was the furlough coordinator who was furloughed himself. Yeah, very unlikely.

And 100 seaters just don't seem to be the "tin cans" the 50 seaters are turning out to be. JB's payrates on their E190s is pretty darn good, and that is good for any future 100 seat negotiations, over the current rates Dalpa got in BK.


But, you may want to start thinking about your own options. RJ operators are having to get creative in where they now put their excess feed. Some have gone to United, and some will go to Vietnam. Both of those options don't sound great. How much did SKW have to "give" Airtran to allow them to feed them in MKE?


Bye Bye--General Lee