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Superpilot92 said:
the flow is written into the sale if the airline is sold. The only way the flow doesnt go along with the sale is if its negotiated away which i dont see happening.

Its been rumored for a long time that DALPA wants to have flowthrough agreements in place with all DCI carriers so as the regionals consolidate (more to come imho) than that may just happen.
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Well add the 76 seat jets up and CPS, Freedom, and Republic and then subtract them from 153 (current limit.) What do you get? :D

Now look in the DAL PWA and see what the number allowed is if the flows become unavailable. Little too close for comfort?
 
WAVIT Inbound said:
The other thing to think about is all the Mesaba 900's flying out of SLC. If you think Inc is going to bring ASA/Mesaba merged pilots out to do that flying you are crazy. Those airframes would just go to Skywest. I have been hearing about this happening for months.
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You don't have to tell me. I know Skywest doesn't want anyone else flying out of SLC. Skywest managed to get Comair out of here and had to buy ASA and send them back to ATL. I wonder if all along Delta intentionally put Mesaba in SLC and is forcing Skywest to buy Mesaba like they did with ASA. Jerry Atkin told us years ago in a newsletter that he didn't really want ASA but it was a necessary thing to maintain it's edge (monopoly, right?) with the Delta Connection flying.

BTW, Jerry once said he was very skeptical about ASA's future when they were bought (he just wanted their assets) but he now says ASA has been great for Inc.
 
WMUSIGPI said:
So what happend to Anderson saying he wanted to bring more of the connection flying IN HOUSE not sell it to an already dominant sized Skywest Inc. Delta would potentially be setting up the next Republic airlines doing that. Someone that would have the money to become a stand alone and start competing against Delta. Not a smart move.
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Think of it this way. More flying for a change to the FFD agreements to include some risk sharing. Republic agreeing to exit the DCI portfolio with no penalties for said jets.
 
As far as flow goes we don't need it or want it. During the last round of Delta hiring nearly a third of the pilots given jobs were from ASa.
 
Butters said:
That's between Big Daddy D and the State of MN, not whoever buys Mesaba.

Plus they promised X many jobs in Minnesota. If we keep flying out of MSP, all those jobs still count. Get it?

I don't like this idea either but getting mad at the other carrier's pilots doesn't make it go away. Just because it doesn't make sense to you and me doesn't mean it won't happen either. This is a screwed up industry.
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I believe that the DCI offices are up there as well.
 
the announcement is that Delta will merge Mesaba with Delta to relief the scope clause and buy 100 new 100 seat aircraft. it will be a date of hire intergration with 25% of the CA seats on the 777 set aside for former Avro captains and union members who negotiated the 04' contract.................... Riddle me this, how is it a carrier who is wholly owned by another could offer to buy a carrier-thsi rumor is bull-I like how it morphed into skywest buying XJ-priceless
 
The announcement is that MAIR holdings is now a hedge fund and has already bought Delta-Mesaba pilots has scope with MAIR so Delta's flying is now going to belong to Mesaba. Thats right you heard it hear first. See we can all make crap up
 
xjhawk said:
the announcement is that Delta will merge Mesaba with Delta to relief the scope clause and buy 100 new 100 seat aircraft. it will be a date of hire intergration with 25% of the CA seats on the 777 set aside for former Avro captains and union members who negotiated the 04' contract.................... Riddle me this, how is it a carrier who is wholly owned by another could offer to buy a carrier-thsi rumor is bull-I like how it morphed into skywest buying XJ-priceless
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Not sure what you mean there but just play along.
 
Erlanger said:
BTW, Jerry once said he was very skeptical about ASA's future when they were bought (he just wanted their assets) but he now says ASA has been great for Inc.
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But I have also heard him say since then that if INC were to buy another airline again that it would be assets only. The ASA thing worked out in the end but it was a HUGE headache. Not saying its right. But I have heard him say this.
 
WAVIT Inbound said:
But I have also heard him say since then that if INC were to buy another airline again that it would be assets only. The ASA thing worked out in the end but it was a HUGE headache. Not saying its right. But I have heard him say this.
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He only said that about buying another regional. Jerry has been looking at buying a LLC like a Jetblue or an Airtran, operating it as a separate carrier of course and feeding for it.
 
xjhawk said:
the announcement is that Delta will merge Mesaba with Delta to relief the scope clause and buy 100 new 100 seat aircraft. it will be a date of hire intergration with 25% of the CA seats on the 777 set aside for former Avro captains and union members who negotiated the 04' contract.................... Riddle me this, how is it a carrier who is wholly owned by another could offer to buy a carrier-thsi rumor is bull-I like how it morphed into skywest buying XJ-priceless
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Do you need a history lesson? Skywest and ASa are operated as 2 separate companies. I guess we'll find out tomorrow at 9:30!
 
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ACL65PILOT said:
Well add the 76 seat jets up and CPS, Freedom, and Republic and then subtract them from 153 (current limit.) What do you get? :D

Now look in the DAL PWA and see what the number allowed is if the flows become unavailable. Little too close for comfort?
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Compass+Freedom+Republic
36+0+16=52

153 minus the 52 above = 101

Compared to 85 below:

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In the event the flow provisions of NWA LOA 2006-10 and LOA 2006-14 cease to be available, either at the feeder carrier affiliate referenced in such LOAs or at another carrier, the number of jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats specified in Section 1 B. 40. d. will revert to 85.
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I don't understand
 
freedom had 900s that were then awarded to comair but then sent to pinnacle for a temporary amount of time and then awarded to mesaba but then only a couple of them went to mesaba and the rest went to ASA and now i am completly tounge tied and going crazy.

Makes a lot of sense though that skywest sent those 900's from mesaba to asa if they were going to be combined though.
 
i fly boxes said:
freedom had 900s that were then awarded to comair but then sent to pinnacle for a temporary amount of time and then awarded to mesaba but then only a couple of them went to mesaba and the rest went to ASA and now i am completly tounge tied and going crazy.

Makes a lot of sense though that skywest sent those 900's from mesaba to asa if they were going to be combined though.
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You raise a good point, which is that none of these airlines actually own the 900's (or E-175s for Compass) so mergers and acquisitions are almost an exercise. Why buy an airline (crew supply company) when they don't own their planes and they could just be transferred to the potential purchaser.
 
They will wait till Mon so Mesaba doesn't have 400+ sick calls over the 4th. They could anyway after all the silence and bad vibes. Shut it down and let all the funny underwear have all the flying. Then the "WIVES" are happy!!!!! 15 years at MSA and the magic underwear pilots (skywest they know what it means)) have treated us the ********************tiest. Fock SLC and Jeffers lovers!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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And this thread perfectly highlights why anyone young enough at the regionals should be working as hard as possible to bail out to a LCC/major/legacy so they can fly for an airline that does not feed someone else.

I can't count how many CAs I fly with who are "holding out" for someone "better" than JetBlue or Airtran. Wake up people, you are flying for a Delta Connection carrier on a 50 seat Regional Jet. Our RJ is already on the verge of being un-economical, if not passed it. On top of that, there are several hundred too many RJs as is. To top that off, there are almost a dozen regional carriers that in some way fly for Delta. Do the math. Your future at a place like Airtran or Jetblue is FAR more safer than at your current Delta Connection carrier. And the sooner you are able to bail out, the better off you'll be.
 
My friend at Mesaba who's on the MEC just called me and told me he and the others were called for a 6:30am conference call. Why so suddenly and so early?
 
drumroll please................ hear eeee hear eeee, hear eeee, having been weighed and measured, Mesaba Airlines you have been found...........
 
Several reasons. The pilots are under a collective bargaining agreement. If what I am hearing comes down several airlines' scope language will come into play.

The fact ALPA was not brought in earlier does not suggest a transaction favorable to labor. At the same time, Jerry Atkin typically promotes labor peace, despite his loathing for ALPA. News perceived as good news is usually announced Monday. Bad news comes out on Fridays so managers are not bothered with talking about things they find unpleasant.

Good luck to all involved.
 
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