Skywest sez this about UAL J4J.....

[flipflyr]

So there I was.......

B

What was that? 6000' on what part of the approach???


J

 

[MTorbust]

I like this one:

"ALPA did ask for the moon, and at other airlines, they are getting it!"

Moon = A S S = Mesa, what a score for them.

Oh, YIPPIE, my Union negotiated a job for me at mesa! YIPPIE!

 

[Jeepman]

Oh, YIPPIE, my Union negotiated a job for me at mesa! YIPPIE! [/B][/QUOTE]

Did Mesa do the j4j again?

 

[~~~^~~~]

As far as our Delta furloughs, I think most would go to the right seat of an RJ if they knew they were going to be out for a long time, but with the nasty reception they have recieved from some

But, I do know that many would go to a seperate DCI carrier made for them. We know that Delta wants more 70 seaters, and after Comair and ASA get their order filled, we are hoping that a deal could be made that would include our furloughs into new 70 seaters under the DCI banner, and with comparative rates. We shall see--but we do have 1310 people who would like to fly again, and without the "CRM" crap they have gotten so far from one group.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General, I have had one of your furloughed pilots in my right seat and he was a darned good pilot. A real pleasure to fly with. No CRM issues on our trip.

Thanks for coming right out and saying you want "our" airplanes. If Delta Connection executes options on "our" order, they are "our" airplanes and we own all the delivery slots for the next 8 years. If you guys go for those, the gloves come off in more ways than one. With the RJDC litigation growing in force and effect ALPA might just yank your leash back before they have to explain to the Court how they allowed you to "steal" the Plaintiff's equipment. Heck, I would ask that the RJDC at least try to get an injunction to stop the transfer of equipment. (Remember the RJDC lawsuit was filed over C2K scope language and the Court has ruled there sufficient harm to Comair and ASA pilots justifies a look at ALPA's DFR failure - in other words, don't assume what your MEC did in 2000 is the standard. The 105-seat scope that we had when I hired in could be the "standard." It depends on the Court, or ALPA, if ALPA decides to perform its duty and reign in the DAL MEC.)

You want our airplanes and our jobs, there is one way, on one list. You will not be allowed to kill us and take our equipment.

We will not allow your predatory MEC to destroy our jobs as ALPA has done elsewhere in this industry. We are organized, funded and represented. We are prepared for war. Besides, why do you think Delta would take aircraft from a solvent carrier to place them at a bankrupt carrier? The longer ALPA drags its feet, the closer Delta gets to Chap 11 reorganization. You might not think the clock is ticking on your negotiating position, but it is.

Sorry to be rude, I would prefer we were working together, but your MEC's profligate ways are unsustainable and ALPA's failure to take control of the situation has resulted in the loss of jobs at ASA because we are blocked from any job protection effort we might make. You have us backed in a corner and there is a lot more Patton over here than Pee Wee Herman. We will fight.

 

[WhiteCloud]

So when (if) things turn around lets give Comair pilots Delta seniority with their Comair DOH and Skywest pilots UAL seniority with their Skywest DOH. Imagine the kicking and screaming and tantrums that would go on if that happened.

 

[General Lee]

Ziggy,

No one is getting DOH on anything. The United Furloughs who may or may not go to the right seat of the 70 seater (although I have heard that the Skywest pilots will be able to fly both the 50 and 70 seaters---so that doesn't make sense)---would still be at the bottom of the list. And, had Comair allowed the Delta furloughs to not have to resign their numbers, they would have also gone to the bottom of the list. Hurting nobody. But no.

I had a funny thing happen to me walking off the jetway two days ago in ATL. I was walking off to get a wheelchair for a first class passenger (see, I am a nice guy who cares...), and a lady passenger says to me that her son will eventually be a Delta pilot. I asked her about that and she said her son was now attending the Delta Connection Academy (or Comair Academy) in Sanford, FL. She said he was excited about being a "Delta Pilot." I told her, "Make sure he picks ASA if he has the choice."

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Beantown]

Did Mesa do the j4j again? [/B]

NO. -Bean

 

[WhiteCloud]

had Comair allowed the Delta furloughs to not have to resign their numbers, they would have also gone to the bottom of the list. Hurting nobody. But no.

I had a funny thing happen to me walking off the jetway two days ago in ATL. I was walking off to get a wheelchair for a first class passenger (see, I am a nice guy who cares...), and a lady passenger says to me that her son will eventually be a Delta pilot. I asked her about that and she said her son was now attending the Delta Connection Academy (or Comair Academy) in Sanford, FL. She said he was excited about being a "Delta Pilot." I told her, "Make sure he picks ASA if he has the choice."

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's explains it doesn't it. Why hire an already qualified and competent pilot when you can obtain more money by getting someone to pay for their education and training with the offer of getting them the jobs "no one else can provide". Some of these folks probably get a lot out of the snob appeal of being to say they are a "Delta" pilot (nothing personal just fill in the blank with AA or UAL etc.) when it's really Comair which doesn't really get you brownie points at the afternoon "tea".

 

[General Lee]

Ziggy1,

It's all about advertising. The Delta Connectiona Academy (AKA Comair academy) is hooking people into believing that they could be a part of the "team" at Delta. Not true. They may be offered an interview at one of the DCI carriers, and that certainly does NOT mean that they will ever go to Delta, even though two out of the three main DCI carriers have a better chance now to try to get an interview eventually.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WhiteCloud]

Ziggy1,

It's all about advertising. The Delta Connectiona Academy (AKA Comair academy) is hooking people into believing that they could be a part of the "team" at Delta. Not true. They may be offered an interview at one of the DCI carriers, and that certainly does NOT mean that they will ever go to Delta, even though two out of the three main DCI carriers have a better chance now to try to get an interview eventually.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

I guess they're still trying to pass off that "aviation family" HR stuff that Delta touts as a reality, at Comair. Are they in for a surprise.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Unbelievable !!

From Surplus1

Most things are negotiable. Giving my seniority to someone else, merely because he wants it, should not be one of them. "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods."

I realize this message board is dominated by regional airline pilots and general aviation pilots but I really feel the need to point out the hypocrisy of these two posters comments.

Surplus1 asks about coveting thy neighbor's goods. Well, how about some questions that go the other way Surplus1 ? You already have jets, now you covet bigger jets. With those bigger jets you covet your neighbor's ( read mainline ) routes. What's wrong with this picture ?

The main line carriers are furloughing by the boatload while the regionals hire in unprecendented numbers. The new regional pilots aren't happy unless they are flying jets and upgrading in two years. In order to do that the mainline carriers have to give up both jets and routes to the regionals. So who is coveting whose belongings ?

From ~~~^~~~

You want our airplanes and our jobs, there is one way, on one list. You will not be allowed to kill us and take our equipment.

The sentiment goes both ways pal.

If I was still flying for USAirways I would say that you can pry my 126 seater from my cold dead fingers.

The unfortunate thing is that this was all avoidable. If ALPO had just had the foresight to get everyone together with flow through lists ( that went both ways ) none of this would be a problem today.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Jeepman]

Typhoonman,

I agree it's bad that regional pilots are getting mainline flying, but please remember who is giving it to us, LEO, GLEN & GORDY!!

The problem (at least one) I have with UAL is that when it's convienient for them they shove this j4j in our face. Do we get anything in return, like flow both ways? No. It's one way only. How fair is that?