SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[Minimaniac]

Yea! for the 1% pay raise. Combine that with an annual inflation rate of greater than 1%, and you all just voted in a net pay decrease. Good job.

 

[HelloNewman]

Fiancee is at Skywest and some friends too.

BTW, $0.45 an hour wouldn't make or break us but it's the principle of the matter, know what I mean?

Ok now I understand. $.45 is not much but I think it has to be done as a building block. As the industry keeps getting strong keep getting the little raises to add up to a big one. I expect there to be COLA, raise for Brasillia, etc in the next agreement. Without it I will not vote for another one. Looking back I think the block override makes it look like a bigger raise than it is. I just wanted there to be seperate pay scales. I guess we will see what the future holds. I'm sure the 70/90 will go senior now.

 

[Gnarloooo]

I'm so embarassed to ask anybody for the jumpseat now. I turned down a job at Mesa only to end up working for...Mesa?

 

[Ben Dover]

Looking back I think the block override makes it look like a bigger raise than it is. I just wanted there to be seperate pay scales. I guess we will see what the future holds. I'm sure the 70/90 will go senior now.

Gee, ya think ya shoulda come to that conclusion BEFORE you voted, instead of looking back?

And by the way, you didn't vote to SEPARATE. It's an override with many conditions attached.

 

[SkyNation]

Hopefully this will be the last straw. It was for me.

and you been here how long now? how many 'straws' have you suffered through? I recall your posts when you were trying to get hired here, you backed SkyWest then, what is so different now all these MONTHS later?

classic union thuggery mentality. a guy will come to an interview, prepare, study hard, spend money flying the sim, and schmooze and tell the interviewer how much he wants the job, how excited he'd be to be here, blah blah blah. they present the payscale and all the info about the company. he smiles, does his absolute best, and hopes to get hired. then, after getting hired, turns around and starts pissing and moaning how bad he has it and how he'll 'burn the MF down' if he has to.

really impressive.

 

[SkyNation]

Yea! for the 1% pay raise. Combine that with an annual inflation rate of greater than 1%, and you all just voted in a net pay decrease. Good job.

yeah, we should have said no and voted in ALPA, taking a further 2% cut. that'll show 'em.

 

[HelloNewman]

Gee, ya think ya shoulda come to that conclusion BEFORE you voted, instead of looking back?

And by the way, you didn't vote to SEPARATE. It's an override with many conditions attached.

The point is though you still get paid more to fly the bigger aircraft. That is what everyone wanted correct? Im still a proud yes voter. I will be able to make more money per year now. I still say W-2 wise we are better off than most regionals.

 

[Pee_nuss]

Reserves will get the over ride for any time they flew the 700/900 and go over the 75 hour mark. Line holders I believe will get the over ride for any amount of time they actually fly the 700/900. There is a split rate for the FOs. Certainly not the best deal however it's something to tide us over til next year.

HAHAHAHAHA. You really havent been here long have you?

 

[embdrvr]

Congrats to Marine Grunt for waking up and smelling the coffee.
Eventually SkyNutsack and HelloNewWoman will come around.

And thanks for providing the laughs.
SkyNutcake is quite the drama queen talking about union thuggery and burning the mother-fukker down when all Marine Grunt really said was that he can see the handwriting on the wall and it's time for real representation instead of a managment funded kool aid swilling student council.

You girls will figure it out sooner or later. Very few people who start as rabid anti-union parrots stay that way. If you're still at the company in 3, 5, or 7 years you'll have a different view. Trust me.

For right now you need to focus on getting yourselves through probationary year. Oh and remember when that quick upgrade rolls around you'll be a junior captain on reserve so you probably won't see a dime extra from that turd you just voted yes on. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Actually since NewGirl is in ORD she'll probably upgrade pretty quick. Still pretty junior there isn't it? Good luck making that reserve callout in the wintertime if you don't live in the nearby ghetto.

 

[Spicepilots]

Easy there mega. A lot of SAPA folk out there are good guys and gals trying to do everything they can for the pilot group. But unfortunately, the only leverage they have after they say "please" is to say "pretty please." I think efforts should be concentrated on the ALPA drive rather than mother effing eachother. Hopefully this will be the last straw. It was for me.

Efforts should be concentrated on the ALPA drive, for what? So when SGU says no, instead of "pretty please" our reps can do what? Please, I'm dying to hear how we're going to wrench a $4 per hour pay raise for everyone out of the company.

This is the "last straw"?? Are you even done with IOE yet?

 

[capt. megadeth]

Im still a proud yes voter. I will be able to make more money per year now. .

1. I wouldn't be too "proud" for selling your Bro brothers and sisters down the river.

2. More money per year????? I just got a 20K raise a few months ago. My paychecks went up $200 every two weeks and we got a 40% raise! I can't imagine what a 1% RJ payraise will do with your take home pay. I wouldn't quite say you are going to make more money....more like more pennies when Uncle Sam takes half.

3. Are you one of those guys that will wait till you can hold RJ capt. because you are too cool to fly a turboprop? Just curious.

 

[Spicepilots]

"too cool to fly turboprops"... It is pretty funny that you bring that up... these guys that a year ago were peeing their pants with excitement that they got hired into the jet instead of the brasilia have been clamoring to get that quick upgrade and their PIC.

 

[doug_or]

Forgive my Ig'nance, but what ever happened to no pay raise during union drives? Is the drive over? Was there a "unless we want to" clause?

 

[SSDD]

What union drive? As you can see by the morons on this board, and by the number of people who didn't even bothered to vote, there's slightly less interest in union representation, than there is in making Jesse Jackson the Grand Knight of the KKK.

VOTED NO

 

[scarlet]

The UPS guy does not want you working there now---it will only continue at other airlines when they hear what Skywest pilots are settling for? ENJOY your career at Skywest !! Call for ALL ALPA carriers not to hire non-union carrier pilots once taking of aircrafts from unionized companies ...

 

[Lazy8]

The UPS guy does not want you working there now---it will only continue at other airlines when they hear what Skywest pilots are settling for? ENJOY your career at Skywest !! Call for ALL ALPA carriers not to hire non-union carrier pilots once taking of aircrafts from unionized companies ...

Yeah... that'll happen...

Last I looked some of the lowest pay and worst QOL regionals are represented by ALPA. So please, let's not throw this "Oh you should have gone ALPA" crap back up in the air; however, it would do SkyWest good to get an in-house union that is not funded by management. No pay increase for the EMB-120 folks is just ridiculous.

 

[Lazy8]

1. I wouldn't be too "proud" for selling your Bro brothers and sisters down the river.

2. More money per year????? I just got a 20K raise a few months ago. My paychecks went up $200 every two weeks and we got a 40% raise! I can't imagine what a 1% RJ payraise will do with your take home pay. I wouldn't quite say you are going to make more money....more like more pennies when Uncle Sam takes half.

Apples to oranges... You fly for UPS?

When any union represented regional pilots swing a 40% pay increase at any seniority level please let me know

I agree the pay increase should have been better, but it's a start. SkyWest doesn't have a great negioting table right now, but then again, what regional does?

 

[ERJFO]

Yeah... that'll happen...

Last I looked some of the lowest pay and worst QOL regionals are represented by ALPA. So please, let's not throw this "Oh you should have gone ALPA" crap back up in the air; however, it would do SkyWest good to get an in-house union that is not funded by management. No pay increase for the EMB-120 folks is just ridiculous.

An ALPA MEC can only be as strong as the membership and they can only extract as much from the company as the company has to offer. TSA is a privatley held company and alot of their financial statements are private information, arbitration in that case is futile because the company can hide behind their lack of disclosure.

MESA has a modern day Frank Lorenzo in charge but untill their MEC or membership stands up for itself nothing will happen. If SkyWest was represented by ALPA and wanted a Comair or ASA contract plus 2% they could get it, if they had the presence of mind to take it all the way to arbitration if need be and not fold at the first sign of resistance.

Sometimes in house unions are good, sometimes they aren't. UPS, and Southwest both just got killer contracts with their in house unions but guess what? The financial statements that were referenced showed both companies making tons of money - an arbitrator sees that. In contrast look at what American's pilots did right after they got their in house union... Voted in a "B" scale. At the same time United (with ALPA) didn't vote in a "B" scale and then they weathered out a strike.

ALPA national can provide resources, information, support, and lots else but the local membership must provide the back-bone.

 

[Lazy8]

An ALPA MEC can only be as strong as the membership and they can only extract as much from the company as the company has to offer. TSA is a privatley held company and alot of their financial statements are private information, arbitration in that case is futile because the company can hide behind their lack of disclosure.

MESA has a modern day Frank Lorenzo in charge but untill their MEC or membership stands up for itself nothing will happen. If SkyWest was represented by ALPA and wanted a Comair or ASA contract plus 2% they could get it, if they had the presence of mind to take it all the way to arbitration if need be and not fold at the first sign of resistance.

Sometimes in house unions are good, sometimes they aren't. UPS, and Southwest both just got killer contracts with their in house unions but guess what? The financial statements that were referenced showed both companies making tons of money - an arbitrator sees that. In contrast look at what American's pilots did right after they got their in house union... Voted in a "B" scale. At the same time United (with ALPA) didn't vote in a "B" scale and then they weathered out a strike.

ALPA national can provide resources, information, support, and lots else but the local membership must provide the back-bone.

I'm not saying ALPA cannot do good things if a given pilot group is united and works the system; however, in many cases at the regional level I believe a good, non-management funded, in-house union is all that is needed. SkyWest pilots are very divided about ALPA, but I bet if there was talk of a new inhouse union the division would be much less. ALPA represented pilots can do good things and bad things, but ALPA is not the answer to every airline pilot's financial and QOL issues. This one-minded thinking that only ALPA should be considered when union talks come around is ridiculous. That's just putting an association, like ALPA, on the fast track to more corruption and mismanaged money. It's more than obvious SkyWest pilots are not ready for ALPA, so why should they send 2% of their paycheck for a service they will not be able to fully utilize? All the airlines you listed voted ALPA in and were obviously not ready for it. Seems like alot of wasted effort and money to me.

 

[bender]

From reading the history of negotiations at SKW, it states that the '99 ALPA drive failed only by a few votes and the more recent in-house union drive failed miserably.