SkyWest Pay Proposal Passes

[HelloNewman]

if the math is right, then that's right between Low Mesa (SKY is $3 more) and RAH (SKYW is $3 less).

So 4 months from now, at the bargaining table, I can see JO saying, well right now we're close enough to SKYW, and BB saying..no raise..look at SKYW.

Who the hell voted yes for this? Companies making a hundred some-odd mil a year, you shoulda gone for an EMB raise AND at least a %10 raise.

At least be in line with RAH's 70 seats...those guys get made fun enough...guess SKYW deserves more grief.

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

 

[Junkflyer]

Your next raise will be...................1 %!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

I think its interesting that in the same post you state that you are willing to ride on the coattails of other pilot groups in order to get a bigger raise, but that it is up to Mesa to get a better contract based on 'all available tools'. I guess in your mind the Skywest PWA isn't one of those tools?

Ignorance must truly be bliss for you to have such a selfish, myopic view of the contract carrier industry.

 

[FlySacto]

I voted yes and I do not worry about what the industry thinks of us. You can't go through life trying to please everyone because well it simply is not possible. Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking. Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools. They spend 2% of their paycheck every month so I would certainly hope they can get a better deal this time around.

I am content to sit back, relax and not have to worry about these things. We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then. It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first. Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be. The industry is on its way back up from the crapper. Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

You're still at it you sly dog! Remember, I still owe you a beer dude for all your past convoluted rambles. I don't want to have to buy you yet another "40". Remember, us second class bro's didn't get a 1% payraise. Gosh, with dem 30 cents an hour you got I'd be able to really strut my stuff and buy the good shizzle! Heck, I mean if you block 7.0 hours that's like... a whole $2.10!!! SWEEEEET! PM if we get a "another raise" before 2012 without a union and I'll come mow your yard.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Negotiating a contract is a personal process that does not need outside interferance or monday morning quarterbacking.

And it influences negotiations at other carriers, whether or not you want to bury your head in the sand.

Each pilot group gets the best deal they can, votes on it and the rest is history. JO can use our rates all he wants but in the end it is up to Mesa guys to get the best deal they can using all available tools.

Contradictory statements. Shows your understanding (or lackthereof) of the industry. Not surprising. edit:maybe it's your lack of caring for others. Either way........from the tone of your other posts.............still not surprising. We don't live/work in a vacuum.

We have a deal til 2010 and it looks like clear skies ahead. I believe we will get another raise before then.

False hope.

It just takes patience to wait and see what other pilot groups get first.

They'll get 1%. Unless, of course they drive a paddle-jet. Then they'll get nothing.

Once other regional contracts start getting completed we can begin the process of seeing just how big our next raise can be.

Let's be clear: You mean another 1%.

The industry is on its way back up from the crapper.

Which is why, combined with the fact that SKYW was making money hand over fist when the rest of the industry was in the crapper, we should have gotten a much better raise than this insult.

Either way I can assure you SkyWest will never be at the bottom of the industry. We may not be at the top of the payscale but as long as it is a good livable wage I am more than happy to be sitting where I am right now.

I, sir, am not.



AF

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Any reason you pro ALPA Skywest guys want ALPA anyway? ALPA won't have your best interest in mind, you know that right? ALPA interests are with major ALPA carriers, the folks who pay your bills. When it comes to something like scope or another conflicting interest with a major carrier who do you think ALPA is going to side with? Skywest? No I don't think so, last I checked the leadership of ALPA is not loaded with pro regional folks. The old union adage "what hurts one, hurts us all" does not hold true at ALPA.

I am not anti union, but I am anti-ALPA at a regional they can't represent both sides of the same coin. Also I am not a RJDC fan either, but that is a different story. There are other options out there for representation, in house or even, dare I say, the Teamsters (...ducking from objects being thrown...). The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

 

[ArcticFlier]

In-house was tried and failed pretty miserably. We tried Teamsters years ago. Same result. Am I pro-ALPA? No. I am becoming somewhat anti-SAPA, though. But I think it has more to do with who's in SAPA as opposed the organization itself.

ALPA is not a fix-all for what ails us, but a CBA is becoming more and more necessary.



AF

 

[PCL_128]

Any reason you pro ALPA Skywest guys want ALPA anyway? ALPA won't have your best interest in mind, you know that right? ALPA interests are with major ALPA carriers, the folks who pay your bills. When it comes to something like scope or another conflicting interest with a major carrier who do you think ALPA is going to side with? Skywest? No I don't think so, last I checked the leadership of ALPA is not loaded with pro regional folks. The old union adage "what hurts one, hurts us all" does not hold true at ALPA.

I am not anti union, but I am anti-ALPA at a regional they can't represent both sides of the same coin. Also I am not a RJDC fan either, but that is a different story. There are other options out there for representation, in house or even, dare I say, the Teamsters (...ducking from objects being thrown...). The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

More ignorance. Have you even met any of the people within the Association that you claim are anti-regional? The leadership of this Association fights for the benefit of the entire profession.

 

[BoilerUP]

The Teamsters although not perfect have seemed to do a good job at QX and Republic.

Ask your average RAH pilot if they feel IBT 747 and its leadership have represented them well. I'd say they probably wouldn't be pleased, considering a group of RAH pilots tried (but failed) to gain control of the Local recently.

 

[TAWS]

Teamsters aren't that great, but ask ASA guys if ALPA threw them under the bus, when it came to giving DAL mngt info on how they could save mainline jobs/work rules/etc, by screwing the regional guys.
The fact that over 700 pilots at SkyWest didn't even bother to vote is a DISGRACE !!! You guys should hang your collective heads when you walk through the terminals! What a bunch of losers, can't even bother to vote on something so critical to their own futures, nevermind ASA's, or the rest of the industry's!
You guys need someone to represent you because CLEARLY you are too incompetent/apathetic to do it for yourselves!!
If not ALPA, then IBT - dare I say it ..................... Even GoJets have representation (that's another sad story).

 

[jayme]

The fact that over 700 pilots at SkyWest didn't even bother to vote is a DISGRACE !!! You guys should hang your collective heads when you walk through the terminals! What a bunch of losers, can't even bother to vote on something so critical to their own futures, nevermind ASA's, or the rest of the industry's!
You guys need someone to represent you because CLEARLY you are too incompetent/apathetic to do it for yourselves!!
If not ALPA, then IBT - dare I say it ..................... Even GoJets have representation (that's another sad story).

Why is it surprising that people didn't bother to vote between a slap in the face now versus a slap in the face next year?

 

[TAWS]

Why is it surprising that people didn't bother to vote between a slap in the face now versus a slap in the face next year?

If I'm interpreting your words correctly, YOU are one of the 700+ guys that were too lazy/incompetent/apathetic to get off your sad arse and vote NO!!
I see that you're a captain, I bet a 4-day with you moaning over there in the left seat would be awesome, especially over the holidays.
Get some self respect! Have some respect for the ASA folks, who you guys have gladly cut off at the knees!
I don't see you going far in life with that attitude, after all, why would SWA/FedEx/UPS/etc want someone like you in their ranks??

Take a minute and answer the question, just don't come back whining about mngt would win anyway, blah, blah.

We start negotiations next year, now you turds have screwed (potentially) our group! At the very least, you have significantly weakened our position!

Thanks dumba$$es!!

 

[SkyNation]

who did you blame for all your problems before SkyWest bought you?

 

[FlySacto]

If I'm interpreting your words correctly, YOU are one of the 700+ guys that were too lazy/incompetent/apathetic to get off your sad arse and vote NO!!
I see that you're a captain, I bet a 4-day with you moaning over there in the left seat would be awesome, especially over the holidays.
Get some self respect! Have some respect for the ASA folks, who you guys have gladly cut off at the knees!
I don't see you going far in life with that attitude, after all, why would SWA/FedEx/UPS/etc want someone like you in their ranks??

Take a minute and answer the question, just don't come back whining about mngt would win anyway, blah, blah.

We start negotiations next year, now you turds have screwed (potentially) our group! At the very least, you have significantly weakened our position!

Thanks dumba$$es!!

There are quite a few of us who share your pain TAWS. It seems that somehow some of the folks thought you'd have to vote FOR the proposal and a 51% vote of the total pilot population for it to pass. There's a big freakin' lesson for everyone. But, as I sit here typing and thinking about it now I have to agree...DUMBA$$E$! Next time, take a position whatever it may be, spend 30 seconds not on the SAPA forum whining, and VOTE!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

There are quite a few of us who share your pain TAWS. It seems that somehow some of the folks thought you'd have to vote FOR the proposal and a 51% vote of the total pilot population for it to pass. There's a big freakin' lesson for everyone. But, as I sit here typing and thinking about it now I have to agree...DUMBA$$E$! Next time, take a position whatever it may be, spend 30 seconds not on the SAPA forum whining, and VOTE!

That's pretty sad, but even worse are the guys I talked to who told me they didn't care about it(because they were single with no kids and didn't need a raise)...When it was pointed out that they should stand up for our profession and maybe give a cr@p about someone besides themselves, they still couldn't be bothered to give a sh@t! Oh, yeah...almost forgot the best part "most of them didn't think they'd be here for more than a few more months when they reached their magical 1000 PIC"! TOOLS

 

[hoover]

If you gave a pilot a million dollars, he'd complain because he'd have to pay taxes on it.

Some of Skywest's pilots just got a raise. Good for them. To those who didn't get a raise, so-the-f#&k-what? What have you lost? Go fly the jet if it's that important.

Another thing to remember: the company didn't HAVE to give anything. But they did. Keep that in mind.

Everyone had the chance to vote. If you didn't vote you lose the right to complain. If you did, and it didn't go your way, too bad. That's democracy for you. You don't get to throw a temper tantrum, institute FLY SAFE job actions, and otherwise act like a spoiled brat because you didn't get your way. You do however have the right to quit if you don't like it.

 

[BoilerUP]

Some of Skywest's pilots just got a raise. Good for them. To those who didn't get a raise, so-the-f#&k-what? What have you lost? Go fly the jet if it's that important.

Yup, that's a unifying statement right there...

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Another thing to remember: the company didn't HAVE to give anything. But they did. Keep that in mind.

The company is making about $150,000,000 a year, it has over $600,000,000 in the bank. Our executive compensation has more than doubled in the last 5 years, yet we continue to lose money on our end due to inflation. The end result will be tthat we as pilot make less per hour in 2010 than we did in 2000.

I think the company has plenty to give, it just dosent have to or want to.

 

[BoilerUP]

Jerry Atkin sold over $250k in SKYW stock last Wednesday. That's on top of his $500,000+ annual salary.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

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