Skywest, Expressjet and SLC flying

[Nevets]

On another note, some of you guys are starting to sound like a broken record on the non-union issue. Give it up already. Mesa underbids everyone. Way to go ALPA, what with your solidarity and all that. Oh yeah, the pilots don't have anything to do with RFP's. How easily I forget. Must be the koolaid rotting my brain.

Mesa used up most of their negotiating capital on their scope clause in order to reign in alter ego airlines. Skywest on the other hand, would have much more leverage than any other regional right now considering they have $700 MILLION in the bank and just made almost $160 MILLION. Also, imagine how much worse it would be if Mesa pilots didn't have a union???

Sorry for sounding like a broken MP3 but I wouldn't give it up already.

 

[bmpilot2003]

So that makes it ok i guess.. Whatever lets you sleep at night. Just as long as all you scabs don't ever have any aspirations to fly for a unionized carrier. Must be something in the water out there

SkyWest was hiring before and during the Union drive and vote, all while the people who got the drive going were leaving in droves to bigger and better places. The reason why this vote lost is because SkyWest was hiring all these scabs from other airlines like YOURS!

 

[ERJFO]

Dont worry about the eye contract, I cant get most of my fellow XJT pilots to make eye contact with me. Its not just because you are Skywest or CHQ. Its because alot of our pilots think they are better than everybody else including their fellow co-workers. Its the CAL mentality that has descended into our ranks.

Agreed, don't forget the "badge stare" that 99% of them do everytime they see someone they don't know.

 

[737Longhorn]

Dont worry about the eye contract, I cant get most of my fellow XJT pilots to make eye contact with me. Its not just because you are Skywest or CHQ. Its because alot of our pilots think they are better than everybody else including their fellow co-workers. Its the CAL mentality that has descended into our ranks.

Oh Jeez!!uke: If I said hi to every pilot I passed between the front door of the terminal and the airplane I'd be late for every flight. If you're in such dire need of validation you should get a therapist or maybe a dog.

 

[say again]

:bawling:

Grow up people!!! What a bunch of whining losers. All regionals suck, just some more than others.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Who cares about SLC anyway. Its a weird place.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

No better airport for admiring beautiful women, they're everwhere in SLC.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Also, imagine how much worse it would be if Mesa pilots didn't have a union???

Well, ALPA will take care of them. To all the Mesa pilots out there, ALPA will deliver.

 

[Nevets]

Well, ALPA will take care of them. To all the Mesa pilots out there, ALPA will deliver.

You can't really believe that without ALPA, JO would take better care of them?

Mese would be worse if ALPA wasn't there. JO will NOT deliver anything for the pilots without ALPA!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

That's the sad part. That even with ALPA, they're sub-standard.

 

[Nevets]

That's the sad part. That even with ALPA, they're sub-standard.

And without ALPA, it would be a sweat shop. You said, "ALPA will take care of them. To all the Mesa pilots out there, ALPA will deliver," when in fact ALPA has taken as much care of them and delivered as much as possible considering JO and the alter ego airline he started years ago.

The sad part is that people put them and ALPA down rather than try to help them out.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

And without ALPA, it would be a sweat shop. You said, "ALPA will take care of them. To all the Mesa pilots out there, ALPA will deliver," when in fact ALPA has taken as much care of them and delivered as much as possible considering JO and the alter ego airline he started years ago.

The sad part is that people put them and ALPA down rather than try to help them out.

The best thing anyone can do is help themselves and not ever go to work for JO in the first place!!!

 

[Erlanger]

I think the hatred you speak of towards a pilot group comes when some pilot groups like Mesa and SkyWest take a substandard contract and refuse to unite with the rest of the industry. Then we suddenly see RFPs come out and their airline underbids everyone and captures the flying. Then our companies come to us asking for concessions.

Skywest substandard? Until recently ASA had what I believe we would all agree; a substandard contract. I would actually call it gutter or maybe a ghetto contract. Hmmm! The best ALPA could do all those years! How long did it take you guys and how much money did you loose over those years? So what kind of contract would ASA have now if you were still owned by Delta? Most certainly not what you have now. You guys used Skywest work rules as your model; the goal to attain. You guys really aimed high. Skywest work rules are on par with yours and pay; so you may be .50 more. Wow! Big deal. Actually yours is less, right? Lets not forget that 2% you pay. Now matter what you want to thing, ASA is and will always be the red headed bastard step-child here. Don't ever forget that!

BTW, on a different note. I like the Freedom billboard in ATL that says something about; less pay, high attrition, unhappy pilots and whatever else it says but then says, "To management, pay the pilots what they deserve" and it's signed by ALPA. What a joke. I thought that was what ALPA was suppose to do for the pilots. Do you know what a top notch negotiator once said? He said that,

You get what you negotiate, not what you deserve."

With all the money they have, top caliber negotiators, lawyers and all; all I can say is, "you're doing a great job for the regionals, ALPA."

 

[sweptback]

Now matter what you want to thing, ASA is and will always be the red headed bastard step-child here. Don't ever forget that!

With friends like that, who needs enemies?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

And without ALPA, it would be a sweat shop.

Please. How could MESA concievably be worse than it is? Have you ever talked to a MESA pilot?