SkyWest Crj-900 orders

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

That is awesome news Skywest! And just think, it's the same type, so it's the same pay!!11!

Race to the bottom... Oh man.

 

[hotwing]

Race to the bottom... Oh man.

Agreed... This over used phrase is becoming more prevelant. It is sad. I do not like it either... What everyone needs to see is that this is happening to all 121 REGIONAL FEED. It is all about the bottom line and that is it. It is not about brand loyalty or how good of a job you are doing. It is simply about getting the same contracted services for the lowest cost no matter who the VENDOR... It is about returning the parent company back to profitiability. When everyone realizes this, this childish game of people telling others that you stold my flying, blah, blah, blah will stop... All the regional operators are contractors. RFP(s) are going out on all levels of the airline industry... Take a look at NWA, UAL, etc... -- maintenance, baggage, ground ops, and more have all been re-bid and contracted to the lowest operational bidder...

What is amazing to me are all the people who have their heads in the sand and do not have a clue as to the economics of what is really happening out in the world... Read the bussiness sections of the news papers, investment periodicals, journals and online analyst news... You will be suprised to find that most of the info that is out there comes to reality sooner or later. It may not be 100% on target, but it is usually pretty damned close... Get educated, stop bitching and grasp an understanding of what is going on out there...

It is simple. Mainline is calling the shots here. It is not our calls and there is no reason that anyone should be shooting at others... Except maybe *************************S and MESA... What is transpiring here today in the aviation communities can not be controlled by the pilots... It is not their faults and they have not one play in the decision making processes...

I am getting off my box now...

 

[n25na]

wow, you mean we get to fly a shiny new 90 seat jet for the same rate as a shiny ole 50 seat jet....sawweeettt..i'm in, i mean it's jet time...right ?!

 

[hotwing]

why is ***GO***JETS blocked in text?

 

[House_X]

Dave,

Good post. Sure, anything is possible, but I don't think Dalpa would give that up without a large fight. I think we are trying to get our 475 guys still out a seat on something first. Maybe they could order some 705's and then only put 70 seats in them, but that would be expensive probably. It will be an interesting 6 months.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Everyone is well aware of mainline's desire to shed costly domestic flying to the regionals. Unfortunately, Delta Management will go with the lowest bidder for 90-100 seat flying....Managements at other airlines already took note of the MDA deal, so they won't try that again...Delta and NWA is going to try and crush the scope...anything is possible in CH11 and no contract is safe...

 

[House_X]

A few problems with the brazil trash, first they burn more fuel, they are brand new so MX will be an issue untill the bugs are out, and jet blue has like the next 100 off the line. The CRJ is a very well built airplane and will last longer, and the last thing pax care about when buying tix on travelocity is aircraft type, by the way no one knows the diff between a crj and a Md80 anyhow. Some F/As eaven have probelms with this. bottom line is the CRJ works good and last long time, and you can get delivery in a few months instead of in 5-6 years.

You forgot that RAH has 25 190's on order...RAH can get them anytime as well. And your wrong about the fuel burn for the E190.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Its not about what the pax say, its about what they'll pay for. When they are buying their $30 ticket online they don't have clue what airplane they are buying a ticket on. They can comment all they want, but until they show the airlines with their money that they don't like the "little jets" then the airlines won't care how comfortable they are.

yeah..true.... good point

 

[General Lee]

Everyone is well aware of mainline's desire to shed costly domestic flying to the regionals. Unfortunately, Delta Management will go with the lowest bidder for 90-100 seat flying....Managements at other airlines already took note of the MDA deal, so they won't try that again...Delta and NWA is going to try and crush the scope...anything is possible in CH11 and no contract is safe...

Incorrect. We will not allow that. NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope. Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

And, you must have forgotten about what our BK judge said about Delta's ridiculous request for free scope changes? She said no way, and that we would have to get credit from that original $325 million request. Now that we have agreed (by 58%) to the TA, we also will get credit for any pension dumpings (we owe $10.6 BILLION), and that would go towards that $325 million a year in savings (ALPA came up with $180-220 MILLION a year in savings for our part of the pensions). Add that to the 14% pay cut, ($152 million a year), and there ain't much more room to go. If they want to ask for more, they will have to go up to Prudence Beatty, and she probably ain't in the mood. She is still incharge and will have to sign off on the final documents.

And to top that off, management already is trying to negotiate a 100 seat rate very close to Jetblue's, and has requested 200 79 seaters. There is little chance ALPA would allow that request. Scope has become the non-negotiable item for this round, for both DL and NW.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[House_X]

Incorrect. We will not allow that. NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope. Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

And, you must have forgotten about what our BK judge said about Delta's ridiculous request for free scope changes? She said no way, and that we would have to get credit from that original $325 million request. Now that we have agreed (by 58%) to the TA, we also will get credit for any pension dumpings (we owe $10.6 BILLION), and that would go towards that $325 million a year in savings (ALPA came up with $180-220 MILLION a year in savings for our part of the pensions). Add that to the 14% pay cut, ($152 million a year), and there ain't much more room to go. If they want to ask for more, they will have to go up to Prudence Beatty, and she probably ain't in the mood. She is still incharge and will have to sign off on the final documents.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Talk to me in 6 months...

 

[General Lee]

Talk to me in 6 months...

Wow, that confident, eh? Riiight. If it doesn't go our way, we will both be working at Wendy's.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[House_X]

Wow, that confident, eh? Riiight. If it doesn't go our way, we will both be working at Wendy's.


Bye Bye--General Lee

C'mon....General...you know how much this industry stinks, why fight it...just give in and accept the pain...it will be much easier. I'm going to White Castle.....home every night, a pay raise, and free "Sliders"...plus, upgrades to crew chief are running 6 months!!!!

 

[michael707767]

This industry stinks anyway....I'll be at White Castle...home every night, a pay raise, and free "Sliders"...

ooh, love White Castle. Great place for post alchohol munchies...........

 

[enuffalready]

" NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope." Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

"And to top that off, management already is trying to negotiate a 100 seat rate very close to Jetblue's,"

"Bye Bye--General Lee"

BY standing strong on scope I guess you mean, allowing the creation of NewCO which is going to have pay rate on par with what Regionals have now, but with everything else from gates to FA's to rampers on a new pay scale as seperate companies......... No, no what you you mean by " very close to JetBLue" you must be referring to rates imposed on a pilot group who knew that NOT A SINGLE PILOT on the seniority list at the time would ever set foot in one except to non-rev, thus no reason to object......then you are right....

Keep up the good fight! GREAT JOB!! STAND PROUD....and you wonder why management types LOVE YOU and your rhetoric of running around proclaiming victory over "close to jet blue rates"


On that notion... I guess I can keep up the good fight at ASA by suggesting we start skywestatlanta, inc and agree to fly anything with a turbine engine at 1/2 mesa wages... just to keep them on the property!! yeah, that makes sense... then i wont have to worry about scope...Until those unified DL and NW guys come swooping in and agree to fly anything with 70+ seats ( NO 50 seaters per Newco) at 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/2 of Jetblue rates they can Keep em on property! GREEEAT STRATEGY THERE!!! Now yer thinkin like a Deltoid!!!

 

[Tank Commander]

Now the regional biding war will be done with ex-mainline pilots from new-co's. This is may crapy job, stay out of it!

 

[slackass]

From the Bombardier website. Last updated Nov 05. Skywest 34 700's to come. Mesa 7 900's due yet.
http://bombardier.com/en/3_0/3_1/pdf/CRJ_november_30_05.pdf