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Just got off the phone with a mechanic buddy of mine based in ORD, and he said that SkYwest placed an order for -900. His manager mentioned it to him which is the same guy that does our acceptance insp. up in Montreal for the -700. I belive they will utalize them on the DC side mostly with a first class, 86 pax, and 2 lavs, and galleys. Maybe PSPFAWILL knows a little something about this too?
 
I'll believe it when it is officially announced on Skywestonline. I'd take that info with a grain of salt especially since it came from a mechanic. "The new hanger is designed to accomodate a 737." That was my personal favorite.
 
Don't bite the flame-bait...
 
Just_Defer_It said:
Just got off the phone with a mechanic buddy of mine based in ORD, and he said that SkYwest placed an order for -900. His manager mentioned it to him which is the same guy that does our acceptance insp. up in Montreal for the -700. I belive they will utalize them on the DC side mostly with a first class, 86 pax, and 2 lavs, and galleys. Maybe PSPFAWILL knows a little something about this too?
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Ok man.....enough of the flame bait!
 
That is awesome news Skywest! And just think, it's the same type, so it's the same pay!!11!
 
labbats said:
That is awesome news Skywest! And just think, it's the same type, so it's the same pay!!11!
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That's exactly what I was thinking. This could save the company lots and still post bigger quarterly margins!

No flame bait here. I called my shot. I'm telling this guy does the acceptance insp. and is currently the MOM at ORD.
 
Why would anyone buy that POS anyway! The days of the CRJ are fading fast. People hate flying on those things. Those folks in Brazil, have the golden ticket. If those E-190s are as good as advertised the CRJ's are done. Anyone who would buy them new are fools.
 
Just_Defer_It said:
Just got off the phone with a mechanic buddy of mine based in ORD, and he said that SkYwest placed an order for -900. His manager mentioned it to him which is the same guy that does our acceptance insp. up in Montreal for the -700. I belive they will utalize them on the DC side mostly with a first class, 86 pax, and 2 lavs, and galleys. Maybe PSPFAWILL knows a little something about this too?
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Just Defer, you haven't contributed one single positive thing to this board. Why should we believe you? Besides, do you have any idea how bad you make the rest of your pilot group look? If you're just bored and looking to cause some trouble, fine. But stick to the General section. Don't joke around with serious things that affect people's livelyhood. If you are telling the truth, then I will apoligize, but I'm pretty much going with Gobi Gred on this one.

-JP
 
Until scope is resolved there won't be any 900's on the property at any DCI carrier. Jerry Atkin alluded to 705's and 900's in an interview a while back.

"[FONT=MS Sans Serif,verdana,arial,helv][SIZE=-1] SkyWest, Inc., has 22 CRJ700/900s on firm order for delivery in 2006-2007 and we still are finalizing the numbers of how many 700s and how many 900s or 705s we will receive. We anticipate all of these aircraft will be delivered by July 2007."

Rumor, and I emphasize rumor, has it that any 705's delivered will have 70 seats installed with the possibility of adding seats if and only if scope issues are resolved. There has been no indication as of yet that anything beyond the 700's already announced on the skywest.com website are coming. It is entirely possible that any and all of those airframes could be straight 700's.

I'm sure that DALPA would like to see their furloughs back in the cockpit and may negotiate rates for flying 705's, 900's and other 70 plus seat airframes. Hopefully they get something worked out as many DAL pilots remain on the street.

I would not put stock in anything posted by [/SIZE][/FONT]Just_Defer_It.


 
A few problems with the brazil trash, first they burn more fuel, they are brand new so MX will be an issue untill the bugs are out, and jet blue has like the next 100 off the line. The CRJ is a very well built airplane and will last longer, and the last thing pax care about when buying tix on travelocity is aircraft type, by the way no one knows the diff between a crj and a Md80 anyhow. Some F/As eaven have probelms with this. bottom line is the CRJ works good and last long time, and you can get delivery in a few months instead of in 5-6 years.
 
I THINK passengers are "tired" of the cramped 50 seat jets...both crj & erj......however embraer adds comfort to the 170-190 series.... bombardier does not...

Respectuflly, I decline, passengers are tired of the cramped planes.... just what I hear from paxs every now and then that get off the 170. Not an insult to you bud...just stating my opinion. Got to watch what u say on here because people spin everything.
 
EMB170Pilot said:
I THINK passengers are "tired" of the cramped 50 seat jets...both crj & erj......however embraer adds comfort to the 170-190 series.... bombardier does not...

Respectuflly, I decline, passengers are tired of the cramped planes.... just what I hear from paxs every now and then that get off the 170. Not an insult to you bud...just stating my opinion. Got to watch what u say on here because people spin everything.
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Its not about what the pax say, its about what they'll pay for. When they are buying their $30 ticket online they don't have clue what airplane they are buying a ticket on. They can comment all they want, but until they show the airlines with their money that they don't like the "little jets" then the airlines won't care how comfortable they are.
 
OCP said:
Its not about what the pax say, its about what they'll pay for. When they are buying their $30 ticket online they don't have clue what airplane they are buying a ticket on. They can comment all they want, but until they show the airlines with their money that they don't like the "little jets" then the airlines won't care how comfortable they are.
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QFT (Quoted For Truth)
Hate to say it, but the landscape has changed. These days, it's all about the lowest fare on the internet. They may complain when they get off, but they'll still buy the low fare next time they fly. Hence, the rise of the LCC's and the RJ.
 
Dave Benjamin said:
Until scope is resolved there won't be any 900's on the property at any DCI carrier. Jerry Atkin alluded to 705's and 900's in an interview a while back.

"[FONT=MS Sans Serif,verdana,arial,helv][SIZE=-1] SkyWest, Inc., has 22 CRJ700/900s on firm order for delivery in 2006-2007 and we still are finalizing the numbers of how many 700s and how many 900s or 705s we will receive. We anticipate all of these aircraft will be delivered by July 2007."

Rumor, and I emphasize rumor, has it that any 705's delivered will have 70 seats installed with the possibility of adding seats if and only if scope issues are resolved. There has been no indication as of yet that anything beyond the 700's already announced on the skywest.com website are coming. It is entirely possible that any and all of those airframes could be straight 700's.

I'm sure that DALPA would like to see their furloughs back in the cockpit and may negotiate rates for flying 705's, 900's and other 70 plus seat airframes. Hopefully they get something worked out as many DAL pilots remain on the street.

I would not put stock in anything posted by [/SIZE][/FONT]Just_Defer_It.
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Dave,

Good post. Sure, anything is possible, but I don't think Dalpa would give that up without a large fight. I think we are trying to get our 475 guys still out a seat on something first. Maybe they could order some 705's and then only put 70 seats in them, but that would be expensive probably. It will be an interesting 6 months.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
labbats said:
That is awesome news Skywest! And just think, it's the same type, so it's the same pay!!11!
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Race to the bottom... Oh man.
 
TEXAN AVIATOR said:
Race to the bottom... Oh man.
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Agreed... This over used phrase is becoming more prevelant. It is sad. I do not like it either... What everyone needs to see is that this is happening to all 121 REGIONAL FEED. It is all about the bottom line and that is it. It is not about brand loyalty or how good of a job you are doing. It is simply about getting the same contracted services for the lowest cost no matter who the VENDOR... It is about returning the parent company back to profitiability. When everyone realizes this, this childish game of people telling others that you stold my flying, blah, blah, blah will stop... All the regional operators are contractors. RFP(s) are going out on all levels of the airline industry... Take a look at NWA, UAL, etc... -- maintenance, baggage, ground ops, and more have all been re-bid and contracted to the lowest operational bidder...

What is amazing to me are all the people who have their heads in the sand and do not have a clue as to the economics of what is really happening out in the world... Read the bussiness sections of the news papers, investment periodicals, journals and online analyst news... You will be suprised to find that most of the info that is out there comes to reality sooner or later. It may not be 100% on target, but it is usually pretty damned close... Get educated, stop bitching and grasp an understanding of what is going on out there...

It is simple. Mainline is calling the shots here. It is not our calls and there is no reason that anyone should be shooting at others... Except maybe *************************S and MESA... What is transpiring here today in the aviation communities can not be controlled by the pilots... It is not their faults and they have not one play in the decision making processes...

I am getting off my box now...
 
wow, you mean we get to fly a shiny new 90 seat jet for the same rate as a shiny ole 50 seat jet....sawweeettt..i'm in, i mean it's jet time...right ?!
 
General Lee said:
Dave,

Good post. Sure, anything is possible, but I don't think Dalpa would give that up without a large fight. I think we are trying to get our 475 guys still out a seat on something first. Maybe they could order some 705's and then only put 70 seats in them, but that would be expensive probably. It will be an interesting 6 months.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Everyone is well aware of mainline's desire to shed costly domestic flying to the regionals. Unfortunately, Delta Management will go with the lowest bidder for 90-100 seat flying....Managements at other airlines already took note of the MDA deal, so they won't try that again...Delta and NWA is going to try and crush the scope...anything is possible in CH11 and no contract is safe...
 
jws717 said:
A few problems with the brazil trash, first they burn more fuel, they are brand new so MX will be an issue untill the bugs are out, and jet blue has like the next 100 off the line. The CRJ is a very well built airplane and will last longer, and the last thing pax care about when buying tix on travelocity is aircraft type, by the way no one knows the diff between a crj and a Md80 anyhow. Some F/As eaven have probelms with this. bottom line is the CRJ works good and last long time, and you can get delivery in a few months instead of in 5-6 years.
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You forgot that RAH has 25 190's on order...RAH can get them anytime as well. And your wrong about the fuel burn for the E190.
 
OCP said:
Its not about what the pax say, its about what they'll pay for. When they are buying their $30 ticket online they don't have clue what airplane they are buying a ticket on. They can comment all they want, but until they show the airlines with their money that they don't like the "little jets" then the airlines won't care how comfortable they are.
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yeah..true.... good point
 
House_X said:
Everyone is well aware of mainline's desire to shed costly domestic flying to the regionals. Unfortunately, Delta Management will go with the lowest bidder for 90-100 seat flying....Managements at other airlines already took note of the MDA deal, so they won't try that again...Delta and NWA is going to try and crush the scope...anything is possible in CH11 and no contract is safe...
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Incorrect. We will not allow that. NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope. Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

And, you must have forgotten about what our BK judge said about Delta's ridiculous request for free scope changes? She said no way, and that we would have to get credit from that original $325 million request. Now that we have agreed (by 58%) to the TA, we also will get credit for any pension dumpings (we owe $10.6 BILLION), and that would go towards that $325 million a year in savings (ALPA came up with $180-220 MILLION a year in savings for our part of the pensions). Add that to the 14% pay cut, ($152 million a year), and there ain't much more room to go. If they want to ask for more, they will have to go up to Prudence Beatty, and she probably ain't in the mood. She is still incharge and will have to sign off on the final documents.

And to top that off, management already is trying to negotiate a 100 seat rate very close to Jetblue's, and has requested 200 79 seaters. There is little chance ALPA would allow that request. Scope has become the non-negotiable item for this round, for both DL and NW.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
Incorrect. We will not allow that. NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope. Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

And, you must have forgotten about what our BK judge said about Delta's ridiculous request for free scope changes? She said no way, and that we would have to get credit from that original $325 million request. Now that we have agreed (by 58%) to the TA, we also will get credit for any pension dumpings (we owe $10.6 BILLION), and that would go towards that $325 million a year in savings (ALPA came up with $180-220 MILLION a year in savings for our part of the pensions). Add that to the 14% pay cut, ($152 million a year), and there ain't much more room to go. If they want to ask for more, they will have to go up to Prudence Beatty, and she probably ain't in the mood. She is still incharge and will have to sign off on the final documents.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Talk to me in 6 months...
 
House_X said:
Talk to me in 6 months...
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Wow, that confident, eh? Riiight. If it doesn't go our way, we will both be working at Wendy's.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Wow, that confident, eh? Riiight. If it doesn't go our way, we will both be working at Wendy's.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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C'mon....General...you know how much this industry stinks, why fight it...just give in and accept the pain...it will be much easier. I'm going to White Castle.....home every night, a pay raise, and free "Sliders"...plus, upgrades to crew chief are running 6 months!!!!
 
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House_X said:
This industry stinks anyway....I'll be at White Castle...home every night, a pay raise, and free "Sliders"...
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ooh, love White Castle. Great place for post alchohol munchies...........
 
" NW and DL pilots will stand strong on scope." Have you been reading any of the articles or watching the news lately? I guess not.

"And to top that off, management already is trying to negotiate a 100 seat rate very close to Jetblue's,"

"Bye Bye--General Lee"

BY standing strong on scope I guess you mean, allowing the creation of NewCO which is going to have pay rate on par with what Regionals have now, but with everything else from gates to FA's to rampers on a new pay scale as seperate companies......... No, no what you you mean by " very close to JetBLue" you must be referring to rates imposed on a pilot group who knew that NOT A SINGLE PILOT on the seniority list at the time would ever set foot in one except to non-rev, thus no reason to object......then you are right....

Keep up the good fight! GREAT JOB!! STAND PROUD....and you wonder why management types LOVE YOU and your rhetoric of running around proclaiming victory over "close to jet blue rates"


On that notion... I guess I can keep up the good fight at ASA by suggesting we start skywestatlanta, inc and agree to fly anything with a turbine engine at 1/2 mesa wages... just to keep them on the property!! yeah, that makes sense... then i wont have to worry about scope...Until those unified DL and NW guys come swooping in and agree to fly anything with 70+ seats ( NO 50 seaters per Newco) at 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/2 of Jetblue rates they can Keep em on property! GREEEAT STRATEGY THERE!!! Now yer thinkin like a Deltoid!!!
 
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Now the regional biding war will be done with ex-mainline pilots from new-co's. This is may crapy job, stay out of it!
 

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