SkyWest back to Coex

[JBcrjca]

And all of our routes WILL be identified by ALPA as struck routes and if you, or any other carrier, flies these routes you will be flying stuck work. Period.

You really need to clarify that statement, or there will be a TON of pilots out there that you guys will be accusing of flying struck work.

What you should be saying is that anyone who flies those routes with a CAL flight # or a CAL paint job will be flying struck work. For the CAL mainline guys, they can't increase frequency or gauge on a struck route. But mainline can still fly those routes and not be scabs. I can still fly DFW-IAH as a Delta Connection, and I'm certainly NOT flying struck work. Be careful about painting with too broad of a brush. With your definition of struck work, you'll be calling every ASA, Comair, CHQ, SkyWest, Pinnacle, Mesaba, Air Wisconsin, ACA, Eagle, etc, etc, not to mention a bunch of mainline pilots, scabs. Think about it.

Also, IF any XJet/SkyWest guys did no-show for work on a SW flight, shame on you. That's extremely unprofessional and childish behavior. There's nothing like stranding your pax and crew for your own silly personal reasons.

 

[jbDC9]

So we don't need a snot nose little fukc like you saying "well it's not your flying" They'll get OUR flying when they pry it from our cold dead fukcing hands.

Holy crap, I can't believe I missed this little gem from mr. pickle!

"OUR" flying??? Beautiful, man. You crack me up, seriously. Dude, you don't need cold dead hands, just a crappy scope clause and greedy management willing to whipsaw two pilots groups against each other. For example, see the last few years worth of mainline CAL vs. Jetlink. Sorry, I shouldn't be laughing about this, but to hear XJT crying "scope, scope!" just seems pretty funny.

Okay, I'm done... y'all keep going though, this is quite entertaining.

 

[flyer811]

You really need to clarify that statement, or there will be a TON of pilots out there that you guys will be accusing of flying struck work.

ALPA, the world's largest airline pilot union, will define this. It will not be defined by you or me. And yes, if you fly something that ALPA defines as struck work you WILL be listed as a scab.

Also, IF any XJet/SkyWest guys did no-show for work on a SW flight, shame on you. That's extremely unprofessional and childish behavior. There's nothing like stranding your pax and crew for your own silly personal reasons. [/B]

A predictable statement from a non-union pilot.

You want to label my future as "silly" and "personal?" Well, silly NO, personal YES. With the exception of comitting bodily harm to my family or me, taking money from my family and me and harming my career is definitely personal.

Skywest voted against unionism as did Commutair. DO NOT expect to, in anyway, align yourselves with the professional ALPA pilots from other carriers in the world. You think you can make it alone with your management "taking care of you?" Feel free to do so, but we are NOT your brothers.
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And on a side note, Commutair pilots in CLE are UNAUTHORIZED to access our crew room. DO NOT use the couches, recliners, tv, or sneak in to take crew meals. This is actually against Continental corporate policy so don't be alarmed if you are asked to leave. I believe you have been set up with a nice trailer out back in CLE.

 

[Russ]

Does flyer811 talk for you union pilots by inferring its ok to leave your pax and crew high and dry? Is it a predictable statement from a union pilot or do the vast majority see some personal responsibility union or not? I think its the later.

 

[JBcrjca]

flyer811 - when the hell did this become a union vs. non-union debate? Nothing in my previous post even remotely resembled what you just came up with. I was merely pointing out that what you described as struck work was a very large/vague definition. And you're right, ALPA will define it...but not everyone flying those same routes will be called scabs. Surely you can see the point I'm trying to make. Or maybe not. (also, everyone knows that ALPA is the largest pilots union, not sure why you threw that tidbit in there)

And my derision of Xjet/SW pilots no-showing is a predictable statement from a non-union pilot? How so?? Even a union member should call no-showing a trip because you've been recalled elsewhere unprofessional and childish. If time allows, you should always give your employer two weeks notice. I was NOT referring to your future, or somehow trying to steal money from or harm you or your family. How your twisted sense of logic turned my statement around, I'll never understand. I just think it sucks for a crewmember to bail on a trip and screw over his co-workers and passengers.

DO NOT expect to, in anyway, align yourselves with the professional ALPA pilots from other carriers in the world. You think you can make it alone with your management "taking care of you?" Feel free to do so, but we are NOT your brothers.

Dude, you totally lost me on that one. Nowhere in my post was I trying to align myself with anyone, and I certainly didn't hint or imply that we were brothers in this profession. Get over yourself. I was pointing out two issues that had NOTHING to do with union vs. non-union. Cripes, sometimes I wonder why I even bother with this bulletin board. You try to make a semi-logical post, and it gets turned around and spit back at you. And on that note, I'm done with this pissing contest. I can't wait to see how this will post will be twisted around. Maybe it'll become a Democrat vs Republican debate? Maybe abortion rights, that's always a hot topic.

 

[jbDC9]

Well, I thought I was done, but the fun continues.

Hey, flyer811... were you hallucinating when you wrote that last post or what? Your response had absolutely no relevance to the topic you were attempting to respond to. Your use of logic (or lack thereof) in your post simply amazes me... may I suggest that you take that hugely inflated ego of yours back to the sandbox and play nice with the other kids?

Man, I think that was the biggest load of crap I've read on this board all week.

 

[BeechSlapped]

And on a side note, Commutair pilots in CLE are UNAUTHORIZED to access our crew room. DO NOT use the couches, recliners, tv, or sneak in to take crew meals. This is actually against Continental corporate policy so don't be alarmed if you are asked to leave. I believe you have been set up with a nice trailer out back in CLE.

You are a giant idiot who has no clue about the current policies OR what's going on in CLE now.

First of all, genious, the point was made on the first day of our CLE service that we were indeed welcomed into your crew room. However, very few of us actually took them up on this offer. Most of us would probably rather hang out with our own pilots anyway. Yeah, I went in there a few times. Once was to hear Mark L. speak about your current contract negotiations. Yes, this means I'm pro-union. However, some of the looks I received after setting foot in there could melt steel!

As for the trailer, it will be gone in a day or two. We currently have a new crew room (hallway) behind the monitors in the D Concourse. Although the code has been changed and there is a sign on the door with "CommutAir breakroom" written on it, we still get people trying to get in. Unlike you, we allow them through to get to the elevator. We refuse to sink to your level.

As for the rest of your post, it was senseless rambling having nothing to do with furloughees no-showing at SkyWest. Nothing at all.........

 

[mckpickle]

If your welcome in the jumpseat I don't see why you shouldn't be welcome in a crew room or where ever. Now I don't wanna hear NEDUDE telling anyone "its not your flying" while he's there. But the CA guys are pilots just like us. Just another group taking it from da man. I still stand by my opinions about our the coex guys who openly berated the union, but the original CA guys make up about 75-85% of the rest. They may not want a union now but all this bickering will not help anyones cause.

 

[nimtz]

ALPA, the world's largest airline pilot union, will define this. It will not be defined by you or me. And yes, if you fly something that ALPA defines as struck work you WILL be listed as a scab.



A predictable statement from a non-union pilot.

You want to label my future as "silly" and "personal?" Well, silly NO, personal YES. With the exception of comitting bodily harm to my family or me, taking money from my family and me and harming my career is definitely personal.

Skywest voted against unionism as did Commutair. DO NOT expect to, in anyway, align yourselves with the professional ALPA pilots from other carriers in the world. You think you can make it alone with your management "taking care of you?" Feel free to do so, but we are NOT your brothers.
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And on a side note, Commutair pilots in CLE are UNAUTHORIZED to access our crew room. DO NOT use the couches, recliners, tv, or sneak in to take crew meals. This is actually against Continental corporate policy so don't be alarmed if you are asked to leave. I believe you have been set up with a nice trailer out back in CLE.

This whole post makes no sense whatsoever. IF our furloughed guys at Skywest are mistripping cause they think they're going back to Xjet soon, it is unprofessionable and they should face discipline. You have sick time for a reason and if you didn't really want the job my Union got you over there, then you shouldn't of taken it.

 

[Bluto]

"If you didn't really want the job my Union got you over there, then you shouldn't [have] taken it."

AMEN!

 

[BJK]

Holy cr@p, people get hot in a hurry under any COEX thread dealing with Commutair/SkyWest! Seriously guys, for those of you who might know, how many furloughees are expected to return to COEX once recalled that are currently flying for one of the two above mentioned companies? Any ballpark estimates or predictions? I believe around 50-60 made it onto the property at SkyWest Any takers???

14 so far.

 

[phishhman]

For those of you SKW guys who are getting called back to XJT, Congrats!

You now have the choice between two good airlines, and I wish you the best at whatever you choose.

However, there has been a couple of former XJT/SKW pilots who have chosen to go back to XJT by no-showing their SKW flights.

I wish I had some names to post because that kind of unprofessionalism needs to be "rewarded".

They not only screwed SKW, the inocent passengers just waiting to go somewhere, and the rest of the crew. The screwed the chances of a deal like this happening again.

I know the XJT guys reading this will be just as ticked off as the SKW people it effected. Keep an eye out for these jokers.

Well I am one of the SkyWest pilots going back to XJT from the first round of EMB new hires and have not heard of any of the XJT guys mis-tripping. I know most of them. If it is true, that is sad. You never know if you'll need that bridge; why burn it. As for me, I am flying here right up until the end.

Phishhman

 

[WmuBronco]

I also am a furloughed Xjet guy at SkyWest going back to Xjet next month. I have not heard of any XJet guys pulling "no-show" crap, and if some did, thanks for making the rest of us look bad you selfish bastards! There is always a couple a-holes in a bunch. My apologies to those at Skywest for these others lack of respect, if this is true.