Skywest, ASA DOH integration?

[SSDD]

Y'all keep saying "much of what's you're getting, Skywest already has".

You "have" NOTHING.

All you really HAVE is a company manual that outlines what that company MAY do and what you MUST do. It can be changed or ignored anytime, on the company's whim.

What we HAVE is a solid contract that GUARANTEES the same things you currently enjoy and more.

Ours cannot be taken away. Yours can and WILL.

For some reason you need to feel superior. I guess you need to believe that the last 5 years have not been in bain. While its possible that I could be wrong, I'm trying to point out that not everything that shines is gold.

I don't drink the Kool-Aid, not from the company, and not from the union. Everything needs to be put in context. A bad contract can be worse than no contract at all.

I won't defend, or predict, what Skywest management will do, but given what I know, your gloom and doom scenario for Skywest is not very likely.

 

[strega7]

Didn't most of them interview at SKYW and get hired onto the bottom of the list?

I don't think most came over, but those that did (70-80?) are now in the top 10-15% of the Skywest senority list. They have about 2400 pilots below them. I wish that we could have helped all the Westair guys like that.

I'm not saying what happened to the Mesa owned Westair guys is what is going to happen to the SkyWest owned ASA guys. Just making the point that they (Mesa and Westair) had ALPA, had agreed to a new CBA, and then because of terrible service lost their UAL contract. I would bet that contained in the SkyWest/ASA/Delta contract there is a clause that allows Delta to end ASA's DCI service for lack of performance, service failure, Etc. I'm sure Delta's lawyers were as smart as UAL's lawyers when they were dealing with Mesa.

John Pennekamp
"If SkyWest Inc screws us with seniority, SkyWest Inc is bankrupt, because we'll kill it. That's a promise, and Jerry knows it."

You would probably kill the ASA division of SkyWest Inc. but SkyWest Airlines would continue?

 

[SkyNation]

For some reason you need to feel superior. I guess you need to believe that the last 5 years have not been in bain. While its possible that I could be wrong, I'm trying to point out that not everything that shines is gold.

I don't drink the Kool-Aid, not from the company, and not from the union. Everything needs to be put in context. A bad contract can be worse than no contract at all.

I won't defend, or predict, what Skywest management will do, but given what I know, your gloom and doom scenario for Skywest is not very likely.

took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[John Pennekamp]

For some reason you need to feel superior. I guess you need to believe that the last 5 years have not been in bain. While its possible that I could be wrong, I'm trying to point out that not everything that shines is gold.

I don't drink the Kool-Aid, not from the company, and not from the union. Everything needs to be put in context. A bad contract can be worse than no contract at all.

I won't defend, or predict, what Skywest management will do, but given what I know, your gloom and doom scenario for Skywest is not very likely.

I don't feel superior and have no need to. Perhaps you have an inferiority complex if that's the way you feel.

This isn't about you or me. It's about a contract.

It is INDISPUTABLE that you do not have ANY benefits or work rules that are locked in. Everything, including your pay, can be changed unilaterally, at any time by your management. We have a contract that can only be changed by negotiating.

Stop throwing emotional red herrings into the debate. Try sticking to the issues, and if you can't win on the issues, then concede.

 

[John Pennekamp]

took the words right out of my mouth!

Well eat them and read the above, SkyNation.

 

[Tomct]

Well eat them and read the above, SkyNation.

Funny how nation has not piped in on 120% 's post's? Gee...I wonder why? Oh that's right....he knows it is SO TRUE! Skywst mgmnt has been lying to their pilot group for years now....I would like to think that they are smart enough to see what is going on now...but if you take Nation, trout and the like....it will be like leading the "...lamb to the slaughter!" Jerry sees what these tools have to say and just sits back and laughs at how stupid they are...."oooohhhh....aaaaahhhh, skywst is sooooooo greeeeeaaat!uke:He will be thanking you from the deck of his 3rd or 4th house. Nice job!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Funny how nation has not piped in on 120% 's post's? Gee...I wonder why? Oh that's right....he knows it is SO TRUE! Skywst mgmnt has been lying to their pilot group for years now....I would like to think that they are smart enough to see what is going on now...but if you take Nation, trout and the like....it will be like leading the "...lamb to the slaughter!" Jerry sees what these tools have to say and just sits back and laughs at how stupid they are...."oooohhhh....aaaaahhhh, skywst is sooooooo greeeeeaaat!uke:He will be thanking you from the deck of his 3rd or 4th house. Nice job!

Dont'cha think maybe SSDD and SkyNazi, uh SkyNation have take way too much interest in seeing this drive fail. Can you say LOW LEVEL MANAGEMENT? They have no credibility, why argue something when nobody cares what you think.

 

[Tomct]

Dont'cha think maybe SSDD and SkyNazi, uh SkyNation have take way too much interest in seeing this drive fail. Can you say LOW LEVEL MANAGEMENT? They have no credibility, why argue something when nobody cares what you think.

True DAT Playa!!imp:

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Dont'cha think maybe SSDD and SkyNazi, uh SkyNation have take way too much interest in seeing this drive fail. Can you say LOW LEVEL MANAGEMENT? They have no credibility, why argue something when nobody cares what you think.

I have been thinking the same thing.

 

[SSDD]

LMAOROTF! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! How do you interpret my opinions on ASA's TA as wanting the ALPA drive at Skywest to fail?

 

[John Pennekamp]

LMAOROTF! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! How do you interpret my opinions on ASA's TA as wanting the ALPA drive at Skywest to fail?

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Are you now saying you're an ALPA supporter and you plan to vote yes? LMAOROTF! :laugh:

You'll have to climb out from under that desk first.

 

[vtech]

Simple question:

If ALPA couldn't get a single carrier petition approved in the TransStates/GoJet deal, how is ALPA/ASA possibly going to get a single carrier petition approved with ASA/Skywest?

 

[SSDD]

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Are you now saying you're an ALPA supporter and you plan to vote yes? LMAOROTF! :laugh:

You'll have to climb out from under that desk first.

Yeah, that's what you do. Show me where I have written anything anti ALPA. All I have done is trying point out to you that Skywest management is pretty crafty, and what you're all excited about may not be as you see it.

I don't expect anything from you, but if Skywest Pylot knew who I was he'd $hit. He'd for sure take back that statement.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

I don't expect anything from you, but if Skywest Pylot knew who I was he'd $hit. He'd for sure take back that statement.

My statement was directed more towards Skynation than anyone else. Apparently I need to look at some of your previous posts. Sorry about that.

 

[79%N1]

Skywest union drive should have nothing to do with integration or not integration with ASA. Leave that out...personally, you can fence ASA from your seats and bases forever! It should be about getting a seat at the bargaining table, protecting your pilot group in times of medical or legal trouble, and finally achieving a binding agreement that Jerry is held accountable to, thereby helping to continue to raise the bar for all regional pilots instead of being the group that helps hold everybody back. Your growth will not stop if you vote in ALPA! I mean, seriously, do you think JA and the board are going to say, 'ok, thats it...no more growing our business because the pilots went union'! And ASA pilots are not drooling to take your seats! There will probably never be an integration of the two groups anyway.