Skywest (and ASA) pass benefits to change drastically?

[fried chickens]

There are some behaviors among pilots which must stop in the interest of safety.

I've heard of pilots writing "9200" in the fuel box when the screen says "9340".

I've heard of multiple kid-counts right at departure time.

I've heard of pilots squeezing a few more carry-ons into overheads to make their weight disappear.

I've heard of pilots not adding 500 lbs of sand to the cargo compartment when the CG is "on-the-line".

These are dangerous acts which must stop! Even if a well-groomed Delta employee appears eager to travel on your airplane, we must follow the safety procedures. I'm sure he/she will understand that safety is the top priority at Skywest/ASA.

What to you fly and for who? Who f*ck are you to say these things you've "heard" are "dangerous" acts?

9200 when it says 9340--We put the fuel we expect to takeoff with not what we have when figuring out if we're below our max takeoff wt. Burning a 140lb of fuel during taxi is a low number depending on the airport like ord, jfk, lga.

Multi kid counts??----What's wrong with getting it right

squeezing more carry-ons---how accurate do you think our average wts are.
Do you think that 300lb fat a$$ weighs 190 or that lunch bag that 1d checked in really weighs 30lbs

If the wt and cg are in the envelope, why would we put 500lbs in the back. And I've never fudge 500bls or heard of anyone doing it.

 

[FishandFly]

What to you fly and for who? Who f*ck are you to say these things you've "heard" are "dangerous" acts?

9200 when it says 9340--We put the fuel we expect to takeoff with not what we have when figuring out if we're below our max takeoff wt. Burning a 140lb of fuel during taxi is a low number depending on the airport like ord, jfk, lga.

Multi kid counts??----What's wrong with getting it right

squeezing more carry-ons---how accurate do you think our average wts are.
Do you think that 300lb fat a$$ weighs 190 or that lunch bag that 1d checked in really weighs 30lbs

If the wt and cg are in the envelope, why would we put 500lbs in the back. And I've never fudge 500bls or heard of anyone doing it.

Way to answer like a prick.

He knows more about how things operate at asa than you do.

1. The fms and paper work fuel show the fuel at the gate, taxi fuel is taken into account after by both the FMS and paperwork.
2. Kid counts get very liberal by bad captains. FA: "he looks 15", CA: "he's a kid!"
3. Carry ons... it is irrelevant that weights are inaccurate. It is relevant that the one thing the weights don't count on is a foolish crew making bags disappear.
4. People do fudge 500 pounds. Many Captains do not care that the CG is out and would rather go than add the needed hundreds of pounds of ballast.

You and any crew that ignores these realities vocally on the CVR will pay eventually.

My ticket and all that I've put into this are not worth the risk.

 

[MELIT]

You're a mechanic for SKW. Quit trying to pass yourself off as a pilot.

BTW....thanks for the great signature quotes...keep 'em coming.

Keep guessin stiffy.

 

[737 Pylt]

Not me. I don't commute so F them!

What the hell would a wrench hag know about jumpseating.
Stick to checking for leaks moron!

737

 

[SoberIrishman]

There is absolutely no way that a DAL employee should be anything higher than S3C on a connection carrier, when that same connection carrier is S3C on DAL. It just simply is not balanced. Either way you cut it, whay should the proposal for ASA v DAL travel benefits be any different than say Freedom v DAL or SKYW v DAL?

If they want to change the ASA pass benefits, which I hope they won't, then at least be FAIR about it!

There will certainly be many flight attendants at ASA that will throw in the towel right away if anything changes, and perhaps some pilots also, like we're not losing enough already!

We took the time to get the numbers to work out the other day so we could get a DAL Flight Attendant aboard, the 47th and final passenger we could carry due to limitations. I can guarantee NEVER to take the trouble to do this again should the pass benefits be changed in such a way as to be "loaded" against our company and it's employees. It simply WILL NOT happen.

In the meantime, let's just keep cool about it all until we see what happens.

 

[fried chickens]

Way to answer like a prick.

He knows more about how things operate at asa than you do.

1. The fms and paper work fuel show the fuel at the gate, taxi fuel is taken into account after by both the FMS and paperwork.
2. Kid counts get very liberal by bad captains. FA: "he looks 15", CA: "he's a kid!"
3. Carry ons... it is irrelevant that weights are inaccurate. It is relevant that the one thing the weights don't count on is a foolish crew making bags disappear.
4. People do fudge 500 pounds. Many Captains do not care that the CG is out and would rather go than add the needed hundreds of pounds of ballast.

You and any crew that ignores these realities vocally on the CVR will pay eventually.

My ticket and all that I've put into this are not worth the risk.

1. He said "writing "9200" in the fuel box" so I just assume that he was talking about the paperwork. If I can take more pax and bags by increasing taxi fuel, then what's the problem. All we have to do is taxi with 2 engines to burn more so we takeoff with what we wrote in the fuel box.

2. I wasn't advocating taking liberal kid counts. If the gate say 4 kids and we see 5, I'll write 5 if it make a difference.

3. Carryon are suppose to go in the cabin. If we can bring a gate checked bag into the cabin, why not? I've seen plenty of gate agents go crazy with making pax gate checked everything including small backpacks.

4. I agree with you on this. If you're suppose add ballast, then add it.

The point I was trying to make is it's not dangerous to tweak the numbers to get more people on as long as it's within the rules and within reason.

 

[N813CA]

Delta folks are all ready S3C's on Skywest. Why do you think that will change?

 

[Papa Woody]

1. He said "writing "9200" in the fuel box" so I just assume that he was talking about the paperwork. If I can take more pax and bags by increasing taxi fuel, then what's the problem. All we have to do is taxi with 2 engines to burn more so we takeoff with what we wrote in the fuel box.

2. I wasn't advocating taking liberal kid counts. If the gate say 4 kids and we see 5, I'll write 5 if it make a difference.

3. Carryon are suppose to go in the cabin. If we can bring a gate checked bag into the cabin, why not? I've seen plenty of gate agents go crazy with making pax gate checked everything including small backpacks.

4. I agree with you on this. If you're suppose add ballast, then add it.

The point I was trying to make is it's not dangerous to tweak the numbers to get more people on as long as it's within the rules and within reason.

Quit trying to squirm out of being a prick.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Delta folks are all ready S3C's on Skywest. Why do you think that will change?

Right, it shouldn't, but apparently they want to be S3 and S2 on ASA, and ASA be no higher than S3C on mainline. That has been the rumor floating around for quite some time now, so take it as you will.

Keep it balanced both ways whatever they work out....makes more sense.

 

[HelloNewman]

Until connection carriers buddy passes work on mainline as well then the flights should be weight restricted to mainline buddy passes. Mainline buddy passes work on any mainline or express flight. It is time to reciprocate. This goes for DAL and UAL. If it is found out mainline buddy passes are trying to get on the flight then the answer should be sorry weight restricted.

 

[fried chickens]

Quit trying to squirm out of being a prick.

Why don't you stop being a little b1tch and grow some.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Got news for you all..as long as Delta "owns" the seats with contract flying, they can do what ever they want with them. So, if the powers that be want it that way, bet your bottom dollar thats what is gonna happen.