Skywest (and ASA) pass benefits to change drastically?

[John Pennekamp]

Meanwhile...

Your "weight restriction" prevents my family from getting to their destination because those Delta non-revs role over to the next flight on Delta and bump them leaving no seats. So I guess I should say thanks.

You should. But thank the Delta employees who are pushing for this, not me.

Direct your anger at the right people.

 

[Obi-Wan]

This one is from the DeltaNet massage board, discuss:

"I am a SkyWest employee in SLC, and there is a lot of changes in the works right now in regards to out travel benefits. Our representatives at out corporate headquarters in SGU have informed us that we will soon be paying to fly NRSA on Delta equipment, and EXPECT it to take effect very soon. Apparently they have been in negotiations with Delta for a couple of years now, and what has been agreed upon is that SkyWest employees will only be allowed to fly for free on our OWN equipment. If we want to fly on Delta equipment, we will have to pay some type of service charge. However, Delta employees will continue to enjoy free travel on our equipment, as well as your buddy passers. We as SkyWest employees are outraged by this! Our biggest complaint is that we just keep getting the shaft when it comes to our NRSA travel. Our buddy passers already are not allowed anywhere near a Delta aircraft, only our own. The stupid thing is that Delta buddy passers are allowed on our aircrafts. Where is the equality? Are we not taking care of the SAME passengers and loading the SAME bags that you as Delta agents are taking care of? Are we not all ultimately part of the same team? Our parents are already paying this service charge to fly on Delta equipment, and we will have an incredible amount of turnover if we as the employee must begin to pay also. We are not paid NEARLY as much as you Delta agents are, and are doing the same flipping job, now we must pay for our benefits also! We do not believe this should take place, especially when we are already at a lower priority than Delta employees and their families on your flights, we are not bumping you off your own flights, so just let us on after you all and dont charge us! The reality is that most of the employees here in SLC for SkyWest are ONLY here for the flight benefits. Our wages are lower than most fast food restaurants, and free travel is all that we care about. If this new change takes place, many are ready to leave, and that will cause HUGE problems for a compnay that already has HUGE problems with attrition. The customer service we give YOUR passengers will only decline, and all will be effected by this change. Keep NRSA benefits equal for all of us is our cry! We do not mind flying on a lower priority, just let it be free! Delta...if you are listening, please help!"

Maybe you should use the open door policy and try to reason with your management, they have your best interest in mind.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Maybe you should use the open door policy and try to reason with your management, they have {your) best interest in mind.


Ya think?

Delta- you don't want to go down this road- trust me!
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[ACL65PILOT]

I for one think that if you stay at a DCI carrier you should have priority over me. I am the one that decided to leave not you.
It really makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
My guess is that DAL knows how many people commute on ASA, and do not want to hinder their people. I guess they think that since most of the people that work at regionals are younger they will move when the commute gets too difficult.
Either way I will always take as many Non-revs as I can. Just remember that what goes around comes around.

 

[sweptback]

You should. But thank the Delta employees who are pushing for this, not me.

Direct your anger at the right people.

The only people that want a jumpseat or nonrev war are the ones that don't commute or travel on their days off. It's easy for somebody to say "screw the nonrevs, leave them behind" when they will never be in that situation themselves.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm not leaving anybody....

And we should not talk smack on the subject. Who knows how it will get spun to the Delta folks? Next thing you know they will be saying we demanded DOH on their seniority list again.

 

[737 Pylt]

I agree fins, but the Delta pilots have influenced this pass situation,

That's because we're tired of scabs like you!

and I don't feel like counting kids to get Delta people on if they think they "own" me...

While I'm sure it's pretty hard for you to count, just "steal" someone's calculator, you're pretty good at that!

If they get the same deal on us as we get on them, then there is no problem.

Ok, then maybe we could sue the rjdc for wasting countless hours of my unions time!

However if they get a better deal on us than we get on them, then there will be problems... I for one am tired of being played between DAL, DALPA, and ALPA....

Why don't you just do the world a favor and quit! you and your boyfriend....I mean girlfriend lj could live a beautiful miserable life together you pathetic loser!

737

 

[737 Pylt]

Clearly you don't commute. Good luck in June if you do.

If they screw us, then SCREW THEM!!!

There's that "captain's authority," spoken like a true professional!
What an a'hole!

737

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Maybe we can replace our CNC with Delta management. It seems to me that SKW/ASA management has pretty much rolled over on this one. Too bad they didn't put up as much a fight as they are with our contract.

....and, why in the hell would anybody start a pseudo-jumpseat war with other non-revs? This is a negotiation (term used loosely) between the two managements.

 

[Leroy Smith]

Ive only had a few isolated incidents where DL gate agents or other pilots have f'ed up my commute. The vast majority of the time, they are as helpful as can be, especially the DL pilots that have offered to ride the FA jumpseat to try and get me in the cockpit (usually FO's, but they are the ones closer in boarding priority to me anyway). And all the crews that have welcomed me on the jumpseat (again, usually the more junior they are, the more welcoming) are the heroes in my little commuting drama. I will do everything I can to get folks on board.

 

[MELIT]

Ive only had a few isolated incidents where DL gate agents or other pilots have f'ed up my commute. The vast majority of the time, they are as helpful as can be, especially the DL pilots that have offered to ride the FA jumpseat to try and get me in the cockpit (usually FO's, but they are the ones closer in boarding priority to me anyway). And all the crews that have welcomed me on the jumpseat (again, usually the more junior they are, the more welcoming) are the heroes in my little commuting drama. I will do everything I can to get folks on board.

Not me. I don't commute so F them!

 

[Papa Woody]

There are some behaviors among pilots which must stop in the interest of safety.

I've heard of pilots writing "9200" in the fuel box when the screen says "9340".

I've heard of multiple kid-counts right at departure time.

I've heard of pilots squeezing a few more carry-ons into overheads to make their weight disappear.

I've heard of pilots not adding 500 lbs of sand to the cargo compartment when the CG is "on-the-line".

These are dangerous acts which must stop! Even if a well-groomed Delta employee appears eager to travel on your airplane, we must follow the safety procedures. I'm sure he/she will understand that safety is the top priority at Skywest/ASA.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Not me. I don't commute so F them!

You're a mechanic for SKW. Quit trying to pass yourself off as a pilot.

BTW....thanks for the great signature quotes...keep 'em coming.

 

[Tarzan]

There are some behaviors among pilots which must stop in the interest of safety.

I've heard of pilots writing "9200" in the fuel box when the screen says "9340".

I've heard of multiple kid-counts right at departure time.

I've heard of pilots squeezing a few more carry-ons into overheads to make their weight disappear.

I've heard of pilots not adding 500 lbs of sand to the cargo compartment when the CG is "on-the-line".

These are dangerous acts which must stop! Even if a well-groomed Delta employee appears eager to travel on your airplane, we must follow the safety procedures. I'm sure he/she will understand that safety is the top priority at Skywest/ASA.

Like the method we use for weight and balance is so precise.... Measure the airplane with a micrometer, mark the weight with crayon and cut the balance with an axe.

 

[USCtrojan]

There are some behaviors among pilots which must stop in the interest of safety.

I've heard of pilots writing "9200" in the fuel box when the screen says "9340".

I've heard of multiple kid-counts right at departure time.

I've heard of pilots squeezing a few more carry-ons into overheads to make their weight disappear.

I've heard of pilots not adding 500 lbs of sand to the cargo compartment when the CG is "on-the-line".

These are dangerous acts which must stop! Even if a well-groomed Delta employee appears eager to travel on your airplane, we must follow the safety procedures. I'm sure he/she will understand that safety is the top priority at Skywest/ASA.

Most of the time I take off in the RJ, that fuel will vary up to 300 lbs. That's my experience anyways.

Trojan

 

[fried chickens]

There are some behaviors among pilots which must stop in the interest of safety.

I've heard of pilots writing "9200" in the fuel box when the screen says "9340".

I've heard of multiple kid-counts right at departure time.

I've heard of pilots squeezing a few more carry-ons into overheads to make their weight disappear.

I've heard of pilots not adding 500 lbs of sand to the cargo compartment when the CG is "on-the-line".

These are dangerous acts which must stop! Even if a well-groomed Delta employee appears eager to travel on your airplane, we must follow the safety procedures. I'm sure he/she will understand that safety is the top priority at Skywest/ASA.

What to you fly and for who? Who f*ck are you to say these things you've "heard" are "dangerous" acts?

9200 when it says 9340--We put the fuel we expect to takeoff with not what we have when figuring out if we're below our max takeoff wt. Burning a 140lb of fuel during taxi is a low number depending on the airport like ord, jfk, lga.

Multi kid counts??----What's wrong with getting it right

squeezing more carry-ons---how accurate do you think our average wts are.
Do you think that 300lb fat a$$ weighs 190 or that lunch bag that 1d checked in really weighs 30lbs

If the wt and cg are in the envelope, why would we put 500lbs in the back. And I've never fudge 500bls or heard of anyone doing it.

 

[FishandFly]

What to you fly and for who? Who f*ck are you to say these things you've "heard" are "dangerous" acts?

9200 when it says 9340--We put the fuel we expect to takeoff with not what we have when figuring out if we're below our max takeoff wt. Burning a 140lb of fuel during taxi is a low number depending on the airport like ord, jfk, lga.

Multi kid counts??----What's wrong with getting it right

squeezing more carry-ons---how accurate do you think our average wts are.
Do you think that 300lb fat a$$ weighs 190 or that lunch bag that 1d checked in really weighs 30lbs

If the wt and cg are in the envelope, why would we put 500lbs in the back. And I've never fudge 500bls or heard of anyone doing it.

Way to answer like a prick.

He knows more about how things operate at asa than you do.

1. The fms and paper work fuel show the fuel at the gate, taxi fuel is taken into account after by both the FMS and paperwork.
2. Kid counts get very liberal by bad captains. FA: "he looks 15", CA: "he's a kid!"
3. Carry ons... it is irrelevant that weights are inaccurate. It is relevant that the one thing the weights don't count on is a foolish crew making bags disappear.
4. People do fudge 500 pounds. Many Captains do not care that the CG is out and would rather go than add the needed hundreds of pounds of ballast.

You and any crew that ignores these realities vocally on the CVR will pay eventually.

My ticket and all that I've put into this are not worth the risk.

 

[MELIT]

You're a mechanic for SKW. Quit trying to pass yourself off as a pilot.

BTW....thanks for the great signature quotes...keep 'em coming.

Keep guessin stiffy.

 

[737 Pylt]

Not me. I don't commute so F them!

What the hell would a wrench hag know about jumpseating.
Stick to checking for leaks moron!

737

 

[SoberIrishman]

There is absolutely no way that a DAL employee should be anything higher than S3C on a connection carrier, when that same connection carrier is S3C on DAL. It just simply is not balanced. Either way you cut it, whay should the proposal for ASA v DAL travel benefits be any different than say Freedom v DAL or SKYW v DAL?

If they want to change the ASA pass benefits, which I hope they won't, then at least be FAIR about it!

There will certainly be many flight attendants at ASA that will throw in the towel right away if anything changes, and perhaps some pilots also, like we're not losing enough already!

We took the time to get the numbers to work out the other day so we could get a DAL Flight Attendant aboard, the 47th and final passenger we could carry due to limitations. I can guarantee NEVER to take the trouble to do this again should the pass benefits be changed in such a way as to be "loaded" against our company and it's employees. It simply WILL NOT happen.

In the meantime, let's just keep cool about it all until we see what happens.

 

[fried chickens]

Way to answer like a prick.

He knows more about how things operate at asa than you do.

1. The fms and paper work fuel show the fuel at the gate, taxi fuel is taken into account after by both the FMS and paperwork.
2. Kid counts get very liberal by bad captains. FA: "he looks 15", CA: "he's a kid!"
3. Carry ons... it is irrelevant that weights are inaccurate. It is relevant that the one thing the weights don't count on is a foolish crew making bags disappear.
4. People do fudge 500 pounds. Many Captains do not care that the CG is out and would rather go than add the needed hundreds of pounds of ballast.

You and any crew that ignores these realities vocally on the CVR will pay eventually.

My ticket and all that I've put into this are not worth the risk.

1. He said "writing "9200" in the fuel box" so I just assume that he was talking about the paperwork. If I can take more pax and bags by increasing taxi fuel, then what's the problem. All we have to do is taxi with 2 engines to burn more so we takeoff with what we wrote in the fuel box.

2. I wasn't advocating taking liberal kid counts. If the gate say 4 kids and we see 5, I'll write 5 if it make a difference.

3. Carryon are suppose to go in the cabin. If we can bring a gate checked bag into the cabin, why not? I've seen plenty of gate agents go crazy with making pax gate checked everything including small backpacks.

4. I agree with you on this. If you're suppose add ballast, then add it.

The point I was trying to make is it's not dangerous to tweak the numbers to get more people on as long as it's within the rules and within reason.

 

[N813CA]

Delta folks are all ready S3C's on Skywest. Why do you think that will change?

 

[Papa Woody]

1. He said "writing "9200" in the fuel box" so I just assume that he was talking about the paperwork. If I can take more pax and bags by increasing taxi fuel, then what's the problem. All we have to do is taxi with 2 engines to burn more so we takeoff with what we wrote in the fuel box.

2. I wasn't advocating taking liberal kid counts. If the gate say 4 kids and we see 5, I'll write 5 if it make a difference.

3. Carryon are suppose to go in the cabin. If we can bring a gate checked bag into the cabin, why not? I've seen plenty of gate agents go crazy with making pax gate checked everything including small backpacks.

4. I agree with you on this. If you're suppose add ballast, then add it.

The point I was trying to make is it's not dangerous to tweak the numbers to get more people on as long as it's within the rules and within reason.

Quit trying to squirm out of being a prick.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Delta folks are all ready S3C's on Skywest. Why do you think that will change?

Right, it shouldn't, but apparently they want to be S3 and S2 on ASA, and ASA be no higher than S3C on mainline. That has been the rumor floating around for quite some time now, so take it as you will.

Keep it balanced both ways whatever they work out....makes more sense.

 

[HelloNewman]

Until connection carriers buddy passes work on mainline as well then the flights should be weight restricted to mainline buddy passes. Mainline buddy passes work on any mainline or express flight. It is time to reciprocate. This goes for DAL and UAL. If it is found out mainline buddy passes are trying to get on the flight then the answer should be sorry weight restricted.

 

[fried chickens]

Quit trying to squirm out of being a prick.

Why don't you stop being a little b1tch and grow some.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Got news for you all..as long as Delta "owns" the seats with contract flying, they can do what ever they want with them. So, if the powers that be want it that way, bet your bottom dollar thats what is gonna happen.