Skywest again;)

[avrodriver]

Not trying to start anything here, but in your post Mayday you rip on inthepool for going to ACA, but then try and praise Comair for raising the bar........well Comair raised the bar (new contract) for thier new hires to the almost the exact same thing $240 a week and no hotel. Even our old contract (1996) that we are still working under pays new hires the min 75hr guarantee with hotel, but then again my airline isn't exactly the place to be right now, but that follows into the fact that we are willing to take it in the shorts to go to certain companies

I will agree with you though, this exploitation of new hires is bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. Anyone who says "they are just trying to cut costs", save it!! I don't want to hear it. I'm a professional, treat me like one, the first year payscales are insulting enough. Why is it the first year I start somewhere my worth is $21./hr, but then over the course of a year my worth jumps all the way to $34, but then every other year efter that just dollar raises to follow. Flame away......AD

 

[MetroSheriff]

OK Monkey...the answer is neither. Run the business better and make some money is the only answer. They will take it from you if they can and new hires are the way it always starts.

Ziggy,

If you were talking about AMR or UAL I would agree whole heartedly. When you make the argument with reference to SkyWest, it diesn't hold water.

SkyWest is likely the best run regional airline in the industry. To claim SkyWest is mismanaged is laughable. The other DCI carriers could stand to learn a thing or two about the quality of service that SkyWest manages to consistently provide.

That being said, the new policy sucks. It won't slow anyone down though. Just 4 years ago thousands of pilots were paying for the training. There are plenty more out there. This is just the beginning. I said it months ago. PFT will be rearing its' ugly head before too long.

 

[dogg]

At what point is a SkyWest pilot considered to be an employee. There are several states that require an employee be compensated federal per-diem or minimum wage(which ever is higher) if an employee is required to perform a benefit(and training falls under that) for the company and that benefit occurs more than 50 miles away from the employees base of employment. I cannot find the reference that pertained to this but I have read it in the past.....

 

[WhiteCloud]

Ziggy,

If you were talking about AMR or UAL I would agree whole heartedly. When you make the argument with reference to SkyWest, it diesn't hold water.

SkyWest is likely the best run regional airline in the industry. To claim SkyWest is mismanaged is laughable.>

Hey MetroSheriff, You got me out of context a little. I have no idea how well Skywest is run or not run. I was responding to the premise that (to paraphrase) "IF Skywest needs to make cutbacks who should pay the price...Pilots that have been with the company or newhires". Neither group should have to work for free regardless of the need to make cuts. Frankly, if it's Skywest's desire to remain non-union they just shot themselves in the foot. Ziggy1

 

[MetroSheriff]

Ziggy,

If you were talking about AMR or UAL I would agree whole heartedly. When you make the argument with reference to SkyWest, it diesn't hold water.

SkyWest is likely the best run regional airline in the industry. To claim SkyWest is mismanaged is laughable.>

Hey MetroSheriff, You got me out of context a little. I have no idea how well Skywest is run or not run. I was responding to the premise that (to paraphrase) "IF Skywest needs to make cutbacks who should pay the price...Pilots that have been with the company or newhires". Neither group should have to work for free regardless of the need to make cuts. Frankly, if it's Skywest's desire to remain non-union they just shot themselves in the foot. Ziggy1

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[Mayday911]

My post wasn't intended to chastise anyone from going to ACA, that is why I didn't mention any particular airline in my previous post. It is the attitude that I take issue with, the attitude that says I will take anything in order to fly "bigger" airplanes...anything including what sometimes seems like nothing. Gone are the days when some can think that the flight time is some sort of compensation because it will help you move up to the majors. It is time to foght for what we all deserve. The new pilots coming into this industry need to be educated on pilot labor issues and alot of the crap that happens in this industry.

Mayday.

 

[Extender]

Employee??

> At what point is a SkyWest pilot considered to be an
> employee. There are several states that require an
> employee be compensated federal per-diem or
> minimum wage....

Hmm, interesting point. I wonder if one could still collect Unemployment Benefits from their home state under such conditions. Flight privileges don't even kick in until the 31st day of "employment." So the only "compensation" a new pilot employee would get is training and a shared hotel room, but no money until the checkride is complete.

 

[embdrvr]

EMB...
You are wrong about me. I love this company and my job. I have been here for over 10 years.

Our officers said that no employee making under 30K would take a pay cut. A new hire pilot makes under 30K. Why the double standard?

Your previous post did not sound like it was written by someone who loves their company. That is why I called you on it.
I don't know the details of the pay cuts well enough to discuss them. All I heard was that they started at the top which is much different than what I have observed eleswhere.
What's your position at Sky West?

 

[inthepool]

Mayday, please don't take me as one of those people who would sell out their mother to fly a jet. I never even considered sending Freedumb a resume due to their policies which amount to grand theft. My point was this: As someone who has dreamed of being in this profession since I was 5, that time has finaly come. Unfortunately, the realities of our industry are that there are huge numbers of qualified applicants and extremely limited oppurtunities. That means if I don't do it for $200 a month in training, someone else will for sure. Don't think for a minute Skywest will have any trouble filling it's classes regardless of this new policy. As a coworker of mine likes to say, "You have to eat *%$^* to get where you want to be." I'm just thankful for my oppurtunities.

 

[skypine69]

RJ Captain.

Yes, one can love a company and still complain about it. I understand that you may have misunderstood that from reading my post. However, that complaint is because I want Skywest to be a GREAT company, (like it used to be in my opinion.) Nothing wrong with wanting the place you will likely retire from (unless I decide to quit!) to be the best possible place to be. Sitting back and saying nothing when something is done wrong is worse than complaining!

 

[Wally]

Missing the point?

RJ Captain.

Yes, one can love a company and still complain about it... Sitting back and saying nothing when something is done wrong is worse than complaining!

Skypine, I don't think you could have put it better. People need to stand up for what they believe and more importantly, we all need to stand together.

I think many of you are missing the main point here. If SkyWest wants to change their policies, go for it. But how about some advance notice. As one guy pointed out, the website STILL states that new hires get paid. Also, they told us in the interview that we would be getting paid for training and less than two weeks before training begins, they back down from their word. That's no way of welcoming your new employees, is it? It has certainly left some of us new hires in a pinch as this drastic policy change took affect AFTER some of us notified our current employers we were leaving.

 

[dogg]

I wonder if all of Skywest's ground school attendees(can't call them new hires if they are not employees and cant call them employees if they are not being compensated) were to apply for welfare and food stamps on the first day of class if that might not catch the eye of the State of Utah. And of course if they are not employees than they better not be providing them with saftey and security sensitive material or providing them with SkyWest badges or applying for SIDA badges for them. And of course no simulator training as that would be a violation of TSA regs. Last but not least, if a single company officer on the first day of ground school says "welcome to SkyWest" then employment is implied and they will be in violation of several Utah stautes.
HMMM...... is the ill will generated and the few bucks saved worth all that ......

Remember..Skywest is still a dysfunctional family run airline or is it an airline run by a dysfunctional family.... doesn't really matter as they are all the same no matter where you find them......... and none of this prevents it from being an OK place to work............