Skybus wanabee's, think long and hard!

[The Victors]

to the captains out there just deny the jumpseat. I know that's a little childish, but it's a start. Let it get out that these pays levels are unacceptable and you'll can run into problems if you accept one of these jobs.

 

[crashpad]

Agreed!!! No Jumpseat For Skyp*ss Pilots Anywhere!!!!

 

[instructordude]

to the captains out there just deny the jumpseat. I know that's a little childish, but it's a start. Let it get out that these pays levels are unacceptable and you'll can run into problems if you accept one of these jobs.

Denying someone who is working hard for his money is pretty bad. My hats off to anyone willing to wwork and pay taxes in this great country.

 

[B737 Guy]

to the captains out there just deny the jumpseat. I know that's a little childish, but it's a start. Let it get out that these pays levels are unacceptable and you'll can run into problems if you accept one of these jobs.

By that statement it is quite obvious that you are not in aviation.
Starting a jumpseat war, nobody wins! What a moron!

 

[hoover]

"We need to educate the next generation on the importance of protecting the profession. Why pilots shouldn't fly transport category airplanes for less than the standard union wage, for example. How doing that might make a pilot's prospects of flying for a legitimate ALPA airline doubtful and how by selling himself out, a pilot is actually selling out his pilot colleagues. How time is built on night freight or in an F16 and not in the cockpit of an A320 at $45,000 per year! -Capt Rissel D. Roberts (Northwest)

A "legitimate ALPA carrier!?" Give me a break! How many pilots does ALPA employ? How many airplanes does ALPA own? NONE!!

It's one thing to collectively negotiate for improvements in working conditions and to work for improvements in safety. It's quite another to position yourself as morally or ethically superior to others, especially considering ALPA's overall ineffectiveness in the last couple of decades.

This guy doesn't care about the next generation of pilots, or even his own peers. All he cares about is preserving the status quo until he retires. He is just trying to hang on to his fat job and way of life. If he REALLY cared about "the profession" he'd do something himself, rather than suggesting that someone else do it. And that is what his suggestion really comes down to. He want's someone else to stand tall, so that he can then stand on that person's shoulders in order to keep his own head above water.

 

[HA25]

This guy doesn't care about the next generation of pilots, or even his own peers. All he cares about is preserving the status quo until he retires. He is just trying to hang on to his fat job and way of life. If he REALLY cared about "the profession" he'd do something himself, rather than suggesting that someone else do it. And that is what his suggestion really comes down to. He want's someone else to stand tall, so that he can then stand on that person's shoulders in order to keep his own head above water.

Look in the mirror.. we all should.

 

[Jetjockey]

By that statement it is quite obvious that you are not in aviation.
Starting a jumpseat war, nobody wins! What a moron!

Yeah, I sure don't want to limit my jumpseat possibilities into CMH (sarcasm). I agree to a point, a jumpseat war is no good. I say don't even start agreements with them. Without a jumpseat agreement, there is no war to fight. They just wouldn't be on anyone's list.

 

[The Victors]

By that statement it is quite obvious that you are not in aviation.
Starting a jumpseat war, nobody wins! What a moron!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Delta rules!

 

[B737 Guy]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Delta rules!

This is the exact reason I don't visit this site any more. Too many smartasses!
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
How does that have anything to do with not allowing ANYONE on the jumpseat?

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Correct.. anyone who thinks that politics has no effect on the power of a union (mediator appointments) has their head in the sand or is a political idiot. I will likely vote Dem this year ONLY for union reasons.. I'd rather be able to vote for a pro-union republican, but sadly they're all in bed with corporate bosses... and to be honest, so are many Dems.. pay close attention to who you vote for.. Bill Clinton was an example of a "Big business" dem.

I realize this is straying from the original topic....perhaps political affiliation has some influence on mediator appointments but I don't see the Dems or Reps giving a hoot for any American worker. You don't hear much outcry from either party about jobs going to China or anywhere else outside the USA - neither party has done anything to curtail it. If they don't care about Joe Citizen at Widgets Manufacturing they aren't going to care about Joe Pilot at NWA. They're all about big/global business and bigger government.

 

[The Victors]

This is the exact reason I don't visit this site any more. Too many smartasses!
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
How does that have anything to do with not allowing ANYONE on the jumpseat?

It was just a suggestion "Guy" to start a discussion. Dont let it get your panties in a twirl. I believe you started the name calling.

 

[Andy]

in India, Jet Airways pilots that are Indian are paid 1/5 the pay the Ex-Pats make

There are PLENTY of foreign airlines that native Indian Jet Airways pilots can go to.
As for the Malaysians, why wouldn't THEY go to Jet Airways? Current STARTING FO salary is $4400 USD/mo along with a furnished apartment. Requirements: 500 ME hours or 1000 TT or 100 in type.

So you're suggesting that Malaysians will fly around the US for peanuts rather than go to India for a much larger paycheck? Pure xenophobia.

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The bottom line is that pilots who are willing to relocate to another country will chase the jobs with the highest pay. And the highest paying jobs are NOT in the US, nor are they going to be foreign carriers flying around the US. There is very little money to be made in the domestic US markets; to think that foreign carriers are going to abandon profitable routes to fly point to point in the US is ignoring the economics of the worldwide airline industry.

 

[HA25]

I realize this is straying from the original topic....perhaps political affiliation has some influence on mediator appointments but I don't see the Dems or Reps giving a hoot for any American worker. You don't hear much outcry from either party about jobs going to China or anywhere else outside the USA - neither party has done anything to curtail it. If they don't care about Joe Citizen at Widgets Manufacturing they aren't going to care about Joe Pilot at NWA. They're all about big/global business and bigger government.

This is easily the most insightful and intelligent reply in this thread to date.

 

[lindsaya99]

Lou Dobbs '08!!!!!

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I just read this from the latest Airline Pilot (ALPA magazine) from the "Mail Bag" Section... Seems like I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

OMG that is funny. The head of ALPA is a CAL guy, where they don't pay benefits to their new hires. Now ALPA is slamming start-up airlines as bottom feeders. LOL

God is that hypocritical!

 

[lindsaya99]

OK, Guys, once again-

What we really need is a Guild . . . . . one that says "From this day forward, no Pilot will operate a B___ aircraft for less than $___. per hour.

Your existing union is still your union, but they cannot negotiate any pay rates below the rate set by the national Guild.

This way, the issue of pilot pay is "off the table". It cannot be used as a competitive advantage any longer.


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I like that idea except that instead of the payscale being based on the aircraft type it should be based on the seating capacity. CRJ 100/200/700/900/1000 are all the same type and therefore would be the same payscale. Obviously we want to avoid that. This becomes especially critical when the lines between Majors and Regionals begin to blur around the 100 seat mark. Compass E190s vs. NWA DC-9s, USAir E190s vs. Mesa CRJ900s. If payrates are determined on a per seat basis then the regionals would lose their cost advantage (at least as far as pilots are concerned).

 

[Ex737Driver]

You forget the thousands of stock options a year they get. If the options are structured well and the company takes off (no pun intended)then those pilot may just be millionaires in the future.

Just like the Jetblew millionaires....................

 

[AV80R]

Heard them on the radio for the 1st time yesterday. Controller kept calling them SkyLab.

Pilot got perturbed and corrected him 3 times.

Finally, the controller said "whatever". I don't think that Indy Center is deveotin too many brain cells to remembering another call sign. Especially one that is destined for such "great" things.

How come? Isn't their first flight scheduled for June 12th?

 

[SWA GUY]

You forget the thousands of stock options a year they get. If the options are structured well and the company takes off (no pun intended)then those pilot may just be millionaires in the future.

Compensation shouldn't be tied to luck.....

 

[skyking]

skybus is a joke. anybody going to work for them would be crazy. how much further down are the wages going to go?

 

[FLYLOW22]

How come? Isn't their first flight scheduled for June 12th?

No idea. Sounded funny to me too but I heard what I heard.

Maybe a training flight... who cares. The pilots weren't geting paid enough either way.

 

[Andy]

How come? Isn't their first flight scheduled for June 12th?

They start serving Richmond on May 23; I haven't checked other routes.

 

[HA25]

someone just posted in another Skybus thread an interesting point.. CMH based NetJets pays a 2nd year FO in a small jet (in some cases) as much as a SkyBus Captain... that is really sad.

 

[FADEC]

someone just posted in another Skybus thread an interesting point.. CMH based NetJets pays a 2nd year FO in a small jet (in some cases) as much as a SkyBus Captain... that is really sad.

An a 2nd year widebody FO at Fedex makes more than a 10 yr Gemini CA. You really don't get it, do you!!! Pot meet kettle.

 

[jonjuan]

Compensation shouldn't be tied to luck.....

SOunds a bit socialist. Who ever told you Southwest is guaranteed to still be in business in 20 years?

 

[Skywriter70]

Hmmmm..

Management is winning, pilot groups fighting and putting each other down. Not a poor sole working together (TOGETHER) to make the necessary change......

 

[Flybet3]

And what about all the guys who paid for $10,500 for training in order to fly a BE-1900 for a commuter did they get a job? ALPA is more and more becoming a laughing stock. If you are a union carrier making low wages its ok but if you are non-union you are somehow ruining the profession. Save me the diatribe.

What about all the whores that keep buying their 737 types to go to southwest? How does that work? it amazes me that people justify this BS and bit*ch about Skybus. Hypocrits!

 

[Flybet3]

Several answers:

first, my company is a small 8 airplane,

This is the WORST excuse I have EVER heard! V70T5, just get your sh*t get out and shut the ***k up. Tool

 

[Philerup]

An a 2nd year widebody FO at Fedex makes more than a 10 yr Gemini CA. You really don't get it, do you!!! Pot meet kettle

Not to mention a couple of years back when you used to see Gemini planes on the FedEx ramp in Memphis. The FedEx pilots were pissed that Gemini was flying some of their freight but I never saw one on here saying that Gemini pilots should be blackballed in the industry. The prevailing wisdom is actually the opposite. If you want to get on with FedEx or UPS go to one of the 36th street freighters and get some international widebody experience. Good thing for all those guys sweating it out at Arrow, Amerijet, and Gemini that FedEx and UPS don't hold the grudge that V70T5 wants to hold against Skybus pilots.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

What are the mins at SkyBus?