Shuttle/Republic Relations

[Axel]

But the debate would be interesting none the less.

The junior birdmen at Republic (not everyone. just the ones 3 months out of a Seminole who are drooling over the 2 year upgrade and their entitlement thereto) really have no idea how deep and steep the hole they are digging for themselves really is.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Just a matter of time until this truism comes home to roost for the 90 day wonders.

I might add that when one jumps into a pile of feces, those associated with them get spattered as well.

 

[flylike44]

what is the mid atlantic pilots' position? not trying to flame...honest question...

 

[tyuwerty]

Let me ask you this, if the Saabs were going away and Shuttle was not owned by RAH, what would happen to junior captains? They would go back to the right seat of the Saab.

Let's straighten out one misperception. The Saabs were not going anywhere until RAH "bought" the certificate. In fact Shuttle was purchasing the leased Saabs to honor the United contract for the flying that was just awarded to Colgan.

 

[SCE to AUX]

Hey!
Keep Intra Company Comm Off Of Public Boards. You Should Know Better!

Then tell you management to not disclose such info to investors so they can be sued for nondisclosure. You are a public company now and with that information flows freely. As someone said above its not secret!

RJET near 52-week high. Maybe the investors can see throught this quagmire. Mainline BK usually means growth for lower cost alternatives. Management well insulated!

Typical response from labor who has nothing to lose. You got a problem with freedom of information?

 

[StuckInASaab]

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["TheBigPicture"]

Then tell you management to not disclose such info to investors so they can be sued for nondisclosure. You are a public company now and with that information flows freely. As someone said above its not secret!

RJET near 52-week high. Maybe the investors can see throught this quagmire. Mainline BK usually means growth for lower cost alternatives. Management well insulated!

Typical response from labor who has nothing to lose. You got a problem with freedom of information?

Seriously.....check out wexford.com...it's called diversification. You thinkthis is the biggest care in the world, this is a small % of a big portfolio. RAH=Bonus...these didn't get rich because they're dum (dumb). Take a step back from the monitor

 

[Axel]

what is the mid atlantic pilots' position? not trying to flame...honest question...

Hearsay:

1 Mid Atlantic guy said on another board that they wanted the Mid Atlantic flying fenced off into the existing bases. Vacancies through attrition to be filled by RAH pilots.

RAH guys say that there was a meeting: the proposal from Mid Atlantic was 1-1 integration at the existing Mid Atlantic bases, no discussion, take it or leave it. The RAH guys left it.

There is an arbitrator's decision pending regarding whether the transfer of these 170's is a change of control (of MAA as an entity) or an asset sale (of 28 planes and associated infrastructure). If asset sale, j4j is triggered and 1/2 the seats go to RAH pilots. If a transfer of control, it becomes Alleghany-Mohawk for all the pilots.

Meantime, there are a few very vocal MAA guys claiming that RAH guys getting seats in the airplanes when the sale results in layoffs at MAA meets the definition of "scab." Dunno if this is just a vocal few or if these few are vocalizing the sentiment of the whole group. There are rumors of jumpseats being denied and there have been verbal confrontations.

As for the MAA FA's: they are being offered interviews at RAH.

What does this have to do with the Shuttle integration? Same sort of thing. There is a faction of junior guys at RAH who have been yelling "STAPLE!!!" since day one for all to hear, claiming that anything else will delay their upgrade. While this may be true, and all things being equal they are entitled to defend their place on the seniority list, the guys screaming the loudest were instructing in Seminoles (figuratively speaking) this time last year.

Again, it's hard to blame someone for going for this opportunity, but the sense of entitlement literally seeps from their pores. They have shouted "STAPLE" and laid claim to the MAA seats without regard for anything other than the rapidity with which their upgrade training date approaches. They are a minority, but they are making so much noise that noone sees anything else. Their public willingness to climb on the backs of others (MAA and SA) in order to advance is seriously annoying a lot of people both within their own group and beyond.

Then some joker pastes a bit of associated dirty laundry in public and the aforementioned start yelling "MINE!" in public. What they do not recognize is the effect of their short sightedness on their future in this business when their time comes to move on. Nor do they recognize its effect on their colleagues who will be spattered with the feces from the pile into which they jumped.

 

[BusDriver12]

There is a faction of junior guys at RAH who have been yelling "STAPLE!!!" since day one for all to hear, claiming that anything else will delay their upgrade. While this may be true, and all things being equal they are entitled to defend their place on the seniority list, the guys screaming the loudest were instructing in Seminoles (figuratively speaking) this time last year.

Not True, in a recent SA 170 class, half of them were 4 year independence drivers, some of them former FLY I captains. And the rest of them all had 121 experience. Not one was instructing. These guys are screaming the loudest cause they are going to get screwed the worst, I feel bad for these guys. they are getting screwed by these saab scum. and tense labor issue will be the result, i dont even want to think about it.

 

[Cracker]

List integration argument aside...it's in arbitration and there ain't nothing either pilot group can do now but wait...the real topic of this thread is how RAH management is blatantly disregarding the labor contract that they agreed on.

Regardless of how you may view our contract or our crews, you surely have to agree on one thing. Management should not be able to disregard the labor agreement regardless of their intentions. This is the real argument. The management is saying that they are doing it in the best interest of the Saab pilots...that is complete and total BS and both pilot groups have got to recognize that. Management seems to be pushing the blame on the pilot group as they have always done in the past.

The only groups that are in it for the best interest of the pilots is the unions. We had tight and undisputable scope language that protected the IBT747 members in cases like the Shuttle/Chq situation. The sompany is choosing to disregard this article in the contract. I have no experience with Shuttle union, so I hope you all had protective language too.

The next questionable step is if the Saab pilots are willing take the training slots without integration being complete. This is the immediate concern of the RAH pilot group. I completely understand the argument for taking the slots but this action would be in direct violation of the IBT 747 labor agreement that the Shuttle pilots will be soon working under. Bit of a conundrum.

The company has even admitted that they know they are in violation of this agreement. This coupled with the Saab pilots possibly taking training before integration is the thorn in our sides. More like a tree trunk, because our managment/scheduling has continuosly violated our contract.

Before I step down from this soap box, please let say this.

No one hear hates the Shuttle pilot group, we do not view them as scum or scabs and we all are going to be glad to see them come here. We view them as people with families that need to pay bills and put food on the table...just like the rest of us. Our actions may seem that we don't want the Shuttle pilot to go to training but that may be a little misleading. We just don't want management to again violate our contract. Any labor group has to appreciate that.

Please disregard any deregatory comments from posts as they are not representative of the majority of the RAH/CHQ crew members. We will all be glad when this is over.

 

[The Drizzle]

Well Said Cracker.

This isn't about Shuttle v. the reast of RAH. This is about not rolling over. There is a due process that must be followed. We must not allow management to circumvent our CBA, it is a shame that the Saab pilots have become pawns in BB&WH's evil game.